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Ah... maybe. Still probably should have said nothing considering such a comment can easily be misconstrued.I didn’t take it as a shot against McCarron, but about how few bodies are available to Laval.
Ah... maybe. Still probably should have said nothing considering such a comment can easily be misconstrued.I didn’t take it as a shot against McCarron, but about how few bodies are available to Laval.
Reason why the Timmins defense about the Tinordi pick fails everytime? The Michael McCarron pick. Were we still in the old NHL in 2013 too when we decided to pick slow and big?
He was picked at 25 and he is 6'6. You absolutely pick those kind of guys with those picks. If he can take key draws and play 12 minutes a night, cause some havok and wear down the other teams D then he can be a very useful guy to have in the bottom 6. If he can tap in some rebounds on the 2nd unit then he is going to be very valuable to us. Of course that might not happen, but THOSE kind of 4th liners are hard to find.
I have no problem with picking this guy at 25 in that draft year. Most of the other players drafted around his spot are also back and fourth trying to make the NHL.
Reason why the Timmins defense about the Tinordi pick fails everytime? The Michael McCarron pick. Were we still in the old NHL in 2013 too when we decided to pick slow and big?
If the NHL today was the same as it was 5 years ago you may have a point. I think in today's game that type of player is not a difference maker and is available, as I said on waivers or in the UFA market. You've got to be able to skate, stick handle and make plays in today's game, not just be 6'6, win draws, hit and fight.
Can you name one such player, playing today, that is is a 4th liner that's worth spending a late 1st round pick on?
Sad pick but who would you have picked? Hartman and Theodore are the only other ones having some success.
Also, Timmins picked the best player of the 2nd round, which is the 3rd best player picked out of the 3rd round.
He might have even picked the 3rd best player out of the 3rd round too!
Its not all doom and gloom Whitesnake
Yes, we were still in the "old NHL." The game has changed a lot since 2013. There isn't one old NHL and one new NHL. It's been changing from year to year. When we got McCarron everyone was saying we finally have someone who could stand up to Lucic. Lucic was a dominant player. Now, no one would take 29 year old still in his prime Lucic for free. When Bergevin came in, in 2012, he said we have to get bigger and we're going to place more emphasis on size. And everyone applauded him because that was important in 2013. Now at his press conference, he says we need to get faster. No mention of size, because it's not the same game as 2012.
When we got Tinordi, we had just lost to Philly in the conference finals. We were a small team, having just signed Cammalleri, Gionta, and Gomez. We were called the smurfs. I remember that series well, we lost mainly because of size. Philly manhandled us.
It's too bad you fail to see those basic facts, about how different the game was when we drafted McCarron in 2013 and Tinordi in 2010.
Seriously, WTF kinda comment is that? I never really cared for Arpon one way or another before, but who exactly does he think he is to make that kind of comment?
This is Bullcrap. When McCarron himself compared his game to Lucic's, everybody was saying to settle down. That he had a LONG way before he could reach that. Nobody that knows how the prospect world works would say AT THE TIME OF THE PICK that we ''finally have soembody to stand up to Lucic''. Nobody has we all know that being drafted doesn't mean making it. You talk about facts and you have no facts yourself. Where are the facts that everybody loved it and that he was for sure going to be our Lucic. It's funny, it's really as if you think the Habs play in their own league. And the others are playing in a different league. How the heck do you pick McCarron so that he comes in and makes us bigger if he can't make it at all. You don't see how needs is a completely stupid approach?
In the meantime, as bad as 2013 was, Vancouver, in this NHL of yours, they decided to go with the towering Bo Horvat. NOt Nichuskin. And Columbus went for Wennberg, not Frédéric Gauthier.
Being able to respond to Philly, as you say, is by adding a NHL'er. How many examples of towering big guys that never made it whether it was in the OLd, new, pre-new or whatever NHL?
Strange how you solely respond to one piece of statement....but never responded to the one I gave you about your Gallager example. You said, there is no way in today's NHL that you do not pick up a guy who scores 50 goals in juniors in the first rounds. That's a sign of the old NHL, the fact that we picked up Gallager in the 5th round.
So how do you explain Tyler Steenbergen? 50 goals. 5th round. IN 2017.
If the NHL today was the same as it was 5 years ago you may have a point. I think in today's game that type of player is not a difference maker and is available, as I said on waivers or in the UFA market. You've got to be able to skate, stick handle and make plays in today's game, not just be 6'6, win draws, hit and fight.
Can you name one such player, playing today, that is is a 4th liner that's worth spending a late 1st round pick on?
I like Big Mac but he's definitely closing in on his last few chances with the team. He will probably get another shot next year during camp too.
The point is that 29 year old Lucic in 2018's game is 2013 Lucic. It's not because he's over the hill, he's 29. It's because the game has changed. I'm not going to go through the Gallagher example. It was an example of how the game has changed.
If you don't understand that the game has changed since we drafted McCarron in 2013, where some bigger players who could succeed in 2013 won't succeed now, and how some smaller players who couldn't succeed in 2013 or in 201o can succeed now, I don't know what to tell you.
I was responding to your claim about Tinordi, that the NHL wasn't different in 2013 than it is today, and that the era Tinordi was drafted in, where size was a much bigger part of the game, is irrelevant. Both points make no sense. That's the point of the Gallagher example, not the example itself. I'm not going to get side tracked. Let's stick to the point.
Sounds like Bergies dream pick to me.Reason why the Timmins defense about the Tinordi pick fails everytime? The Michael McCarron pick. Were we still in the old NHL in 2013 too when we decided to pick slow and big?
He and Deslauriers could wreak some havoc out there lol
Sounds like Bergies dream pick to me.
It's odd that Tinordi didn't work out with Bergevin. Son of a hockey player, big and strong, mostly defensive minded. Then again it's more Therrien stapling him to the bench.
It's honestly incredible how many second and third generation players have come through Montreal during Bergevin's tenure and did absolutely nothing of note. I can't count them right now but I wouldn't be surprised if it has been over a dozen.