Marlies / Prospects Thread - Marlies training camp has started

[theIceWookie]

Is it because of the 4 year development curve without the need to sign the player you're a fan of? Or the systems they employ?

I can't say I'm a huge fan of the NCAA myself. I hate the way the NCAA operates but I like that prospects in that system can grow as players and enter the NHL/AHL as 23-24 old players versus 19-20 year old.

I really like the development curve. 1-4 years with the option of having a player leave and go the CHL/AHL. Plus it's generally a league that focuses on defense more which usually adds some strong elements in to players games. And for players that are raw it can be a great league. Not a huge chunk of games, but lots of time to develop physically outside the ice rink. Plus I generally like that most players face older and more physical mature players.

 

[IBeL34f]

I've watched Fucale a lot , close to a hundred times , no doubt he's a good goaltender but I don't see him ever being a #1 in the NHL. Back up , maybe but even that's a stretch. This year will be the real test for him. He won't have a Memorial Cup or Top Canadian ranked team in front of him. My comment isn't suggesting Bibeau is better , no one will know that for another couple of years since goaltenders developing later than other prospects.

My dad's been a Mooseheads season ticket holder for the past few years now and has always said that Fucale reminded him a lot of Fleury. He's got a lot of the tools, the talent is there, but you get nervous watching him play, he can lose focus, and he might not have that mental fortitude that long-lasting starters require.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm a big fan of the NCAA route, so I'm pleased that we have a good chunk of prospects making that jump this year.

That said, only 4 CHLers this year is a little dissapointing. But they should be fun to watch

Yep, I'm a big fan of the NCAA development process. I feel it gets a bad rap on here for some reason.

 

[pooleboy]

Yep, I'm a big fan of the NCAA development process. I feel it gets a bad rap on here for some reason.

because most of the top players aren't American imo, not to be racist but most of the top players ARE canadian and they played in the CHL obviously.

 

[pooleboy]

Wow. So few prospects to follow this year in the CHL. Kind of disappointing.

thats what happens when we keep our UFA's when we are a fringe team at best #leafland #gooddecisionsalways

 

[Neil Hamburger]

thats what happens when we keep our UFA's when we are a fringe team at best #leafland #gooddecisionsalways

Also tends to happen when you draft five players from outside the CHL in a single year (two Swedes and three Americans).

 

[LaPlante94]

because most of the top players aren't American imo, not to be racist but most of the top players ARE canadian and they played in the CHL obviously.

The Americans we drafted this year look really good. Good mixture of size and skill, and the NCAA will be the best route for them to develop.

 

[Ace88*]

because most of the top players aren't American imo, not to be racist but most of the top players ARE canadian and they played in the CHL obviously.

That... Has nothing to do with... Racism? Canadian isn't a race lol

 

[TheCLAM]

That... Has nothing to do with... Racism? Canadian isn't a race lol

hahahahahahaha

 

[RD]

What's Kenny Ryan's status, haven't heard much ?

 

[SprDaVE]

What's Kenny Ryan's status, haven't heard much ?

He's on a tryout with the Avalanche.

 

[Ace88*]

He's on a tryout with the Avalanche.

inb4 he makes the team and puts up 25 goals playing with mackinnon

 

[SprDaVE]

Gauthier out 3-4 weeks with a fractured rib.

 

[Pholus]

Gauthier out 3-4 weeks with a fractured rib.

Getting injured before preseason? #greatcharacter

 

[SeaOfBlue]

He's on a tryout with the Avalanche.

He's been released now. PTO's don't usually do well unless they fill specific needs or really impress. He's likely just going to find a team to play for in like the ECHL for a year or something.

 

[glasses91]

inb4 he makes the team and puts up 25 goals playing with mackinnon

I would be happy. Love that guy and pissed he's gone.

 

[sommervr]

Gauthier out 3-4 weeks with a fractured rib.

Bust

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

The Leafs need to use the Red Wings as a model for success in the NHL. Scout and draft well, they stay in AHL and still developed by NHL coaching and only play in NHL when ready. If they learn the defensive system well and show they can perform well using it, then they get to play. TML need to stop trading away draft picks and develop defensive strategies that work. Let the kids develop please!

 

[Johny Drama]

The Leafs need to use the Red Wings as a model for success in the NHL. Scout and draft well, they stay in AHL and still developed by NHL coaching and only play in NHL when ready. If they learn the defensive system well and show they can perform well using it, then they get to play. TML need to stop trading away draft picks and develop defensive strategies that work. Let the kids develop please!

Agree. You are always going to get top players like Tavares/MacKinnon etc who will walk right into the line up at 18, but if management is unsure always take cautious approach and send back to junior for more development time. I hope we take similar approach with Nylander that we did with Kadri.

 

[highslot]

the problem i had with kadri's development was that they kept bouncing him, affecting stability. imo nylander should spend a full season to develop more man-strength, but if he's under forsberg in sweden, i think he'll be in good hands.

 

[SprDaVE]

"More man strength". As opposed to child strength?

You hear something new every day I guess.

 

[Number13]

He's on a tryout with the Avalanche.

He was just released from his tryout. In before Marlies sign him.

 

[KRM]

https://www.twitter.com/Budord/status/514823550218543104

 

[theIceWookie]

The Leafs need to use the Red Wings as a model for success in the NHL. Scout and draft well, they stay in AHL and still developed by NHL coaching and only play in NHL when ready. If they learn the defensive system well and show they can perform well using it, then they get to play. TML need to stop trading away draft picks and develop defensive strategies that work. Let the kids develop please!

Couple notes.

First, the Red Wings have only had 5 more picks than the Leafs over the past decade. They've had only 6 first round picks compared to the Leafs 9.

Secondly, when you listen to the Red Wings talk about development, thye actively mention that their model is BECAUSE they haven't had top picks to use, which has led to them taking a more patient approach. They have gone as far as to say imply by omission that had they had a top ten pick, that player's development would change dramatically.

Thirdly, the Leafs are developing this sort of strategy and have been doing it for a while now. You're basically complaining about something that doesn't exist anymore. Basically it's been Rielly that has made it fast. Kadri was held for a long time. Basically Schenn was the last player we had that was rushed (it's too early to suggest Rielly might have been, he clearly fits in the Detroit idea of an exception since he's a high pick).

People need to stop complaining about things they clearly ignore.

 

[theIceWookie]

https://www.twitter.com/Budord/status/514823550218543104

Is he referring to the SHL when he says CHL?