I hope Nyquist can get the hockey gods on his side again. There's absolutely no reason he shouldn't score 20+ goals. That, Larkin going back to his rookie ways and Mantha taking off would be a good start for this team to trend in the right direction.
Love your sarcasm here, Jimmy doesn't even have the worst contract on the team. Let alone in the entire NHL.
I mean. I'd sign up for Price at $5M. I think that's a great deal.There's plenty of contracts worse than Howard, but any goalie making more than 4m a season is a bad contract, I don't care who it is.
Maybe he exaggerated a little bit... but I do remember over and over and over people bemoaning that as certainly one of the worst. Even as I defended it by saying it's not actually a terrible contract, it just looks worse in retrospect because Petr caught a rocketship in his development and he was in Detroit as the number one a full year and a half ahead of schedule.
I'm sure the Wings original plan in 13 when they signed Jimmy was l2016 to be Petr's first being the sole backup/pushing for playing time. Not him already having 1.5 seasons of being the top guy heading into it.
There's plenty of contracts worse than Howard, but any goalie making more than 4m a season is a bad contract, I don't care who it is.
If by doing it right you mean trying to be petty and stir shot then yes you are if not a bit too obvious. Solid 6/10
The Wings have definitely shown in the past that you can go far with solid but not elite goaltending and spend money in other places.
There's plenty of contracts worse than Howard, but any goalie making more than 4m a season is a bad contract, I don't care who it is.
Name a good veteran (28 and over) goalie that is paid less than $4 million? You aren't getting a goalie at the price unless you're signing a guy like Talbot or Darling that hasn't been a full time starter.
Mrazek at $4 million compared a guy like Gibson getting $2.3 million. That's your bad value in goal.
How many good value signings has Holland made in the last handful of seasons? Tatar's new deal? There's not many.
There's plenty of contracts worse than Howard, but any goalie making more than 4m a season is a bad contract, I don't care who it is.
4m?
that sounds really extreme when you look at what 4m can get you in other positions,you'd be hard pressed even finding a decent 2nd liner for that amount
you seriously don't think the best goalies deserve more money than guys like freaking Justin Abdelkader,Troy Brouwer,Michael Frolik and so on? because that's the sort of thing 4 million gets you
Just because virtually every team does it doesn't mean it's a good idea. It ties up too much money into a volatile position that rarely pays off. Has Howard 'earned' his contract? Has Rinne? Rask? Lundqvist? I don't think any of the 7m+ goalies have done anything close to earning it. I think a lot of skaters who make that much have earned it though.
Hard to draw the line for what is too much, but I certainly don't think winning the cup or vezina is the only criteria to make that judgement. Consistency is probably what I'd be looking at, peace of mind knowing that you will get solid goaltending is IMO worth paying for. Any club's biggest fear is missing the playoffs altogether, and a great player no matter the position, but great goalies in particular, are a safety net for being good. I agree it's easier for a forward to earn it, harder for a defenseman, and hardest for a goalie. But not totally black and white.
Lundqvist has probably carried Rangers to the playoffs close to a handful of times in his career , so in that context he's clearly earned it. I can't think of much bigger team carries anyway in recent history, maybe Karlsson last year for Ottawa. Crosby for the Pens early on. McJesus right now I guess. Rinne and Rask are probably not as clear cut, but probably pass the cut aswell, especially Rask.
Right now there seems to be a sweet spot getting a cup run out of a guy on a low deal or even ELC. Most of these guys have not been seen as starters to begin the season though, so it wasn't like these teams saved a bunch of money to spend elsewhere. It's really hard to foresee surprise goaltending performances, like would you advocate for suddenly giving the reigns over to Coreau and roll the dice to spend more bucks elsewhere? I certainly wouldn't do that. Of course, I don't want two guys paid a decent amount like we do either, but that's another discussion.
It's very possible my line of thinking is out dated where teams can win a cup with super cheap veteran goalies. The ELC deals seems to be the key.
...Right now there seems to be a sweet spot getting a cup run out of a guy on a low deal or even ELC. Most of these guys have not been seen as starters to begin the season though, so it wasn't like these teams saved a bunch of money to spend elsewhere. It's really hard to foresee surprise goaltending performances, like would you advocate for suddenly giving the reigns over to Coreau and roll the dice to spend more bucks elsewhere? I certainly wouldn't do that. Of course, I don't want two guys paid a decent amount like we do either, but that's another discussion.
Quick? Uhh if quick is worth it almost any goalie is. Guy had 2 special playoff runs that’s it. Last 2 haven’t been good and he’s average in the regular season