JVR questions

[Drumdizzle]

Probably not.

But that's okay, we've got a huge cushion so we can just slide backwards into the playoffs, then one-and-done and a late 1st pick.

That sounds.... great....

No point talking about moving JVR now anyways. There isn't really a chance at this point. The only guys I would look at are Sosh Leivo Bozak Polak Martin at this point.

 

[BlueBaron]

true enough, and if they traded him anything could happen on the draft floor, either scenario has elements of risk imo.

That's a good point, so many people do not seem to see that the assets traded for (picks) could amount to nothing, or little.

Why would a playoff team offer a 1rst and 2nd for JVR?

They aren't as smart as HF posters.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

JVR Comes Up Big Again

One was a bit of a blowout game vs. Ottawa, but with tonight’s game-winner, James van Riemsdyk has now recorded the deciding goal in three consecutive games, continuing a pattern of JVR scoring important goals at important times – and against some good teams – this season.
Just from memory:

• The late tying goal versus Colorado in the late December OT loss
• The late tying goal versus Boston in November
• The late tying goal versus Chicago in October
• The 1-0 goal + shootout winner versus the Nashville Predators
• The game-winning goal in the third period of a measuring stick game versus the Tampa Bay Lightning after coughing up a 3-0 lead

We know what JVR isn’t: A top-line player that’s trusted in big minutes against tough competition. But he buries his chances and comes through at key times, even if he’s been next to invisible for most of the game. A 33-goal (pace) player and PP specialist stored away on your third line? That’s a pretty good weapon to have going into the playoffs.

source: Leafs vs. Lightning Game Review: Nylander & Matthews 5v5 dominance, JVR scores another key goal, Andersen vs. Vasilevskiy

JVR has been playing great ! He should fetch a King's Ransom.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Why would a playoff team offer a 1rst and 2nd for JVR?

To win NOW.
Not next year.
NOW.

 

[indigobuffalo]

Value to team keeping him > value of assets acquired trading him.

Unless we have future-sight and can deal him for a “lesser” roster player + pick who ends up being some Guentzel clone there’s no way he gets dealt.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

How many UFAs similar to JVR got dealt last year at the Trade Deadline ? None ?
Nothing ever happens at the trade deadline it seems.

 

[PromisedLand]

Babs basically giving 2 cents on trade speculation and why he played Komarov instead of JVR when we were protecting the lead

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Kings are spending.
They just acquired Phaneuf.
They want a "scoring winger".

JVR ?

 

[mapleleafs34]

I know Lou has said JVR is not available and everyone thinks there's no reason to trade him when we have a chance to go deep in the playoffs but he only played 12:50 against Ottawa. Against the Lightning, he played only 11:44 and did not play in the final 13 minutes of regulation in a one-goal game. On Wednesday he only saw 3 shifts in the 3rd period and played a season low 10:10.

To me this sounds like they're trying to see what life would be like without JVR and if they seem to be okay then they will trade him. Just a thought.

 

[Razz]

I know Lou has said JVR is not available and everyone thinks there's no reason to trade him when we have a chance to go deep in the playoffs but he only played 12:50 against Ottawa. Against the Lightning, he played only 11:44 and did not play in the final 13 minutes of regulation in a one-goal game. On Wednesday he only saw 3 shifts in the 3rd period and played a season low 10:10.

To me this sounds like they're trying to see what life would be like without JVR and if they seem to be okay then they will trade him. Just a thought.

I think there's some truth to this. JVR is not being utilized in any key roles for this team which suggests that he's not in the long term plan. The Leafs are trying to win each and every game now (not that they didn't before but now they are in go mode with the best possible roster), and JVR's role tells us Babcock doesn't see him as a key component.

To me it's a clear sign that he's not getting re-signed here, no necessarily traded. His role on the team while diminished is still specific enough to be useful. Funny how we're using JVR as if we did acquire a PP specialist in preparation for a playoff run.

The only way we trade JVR is if the benefit we get in return outweighs the loss of his goal scoring and could harm the PP. We know he doesn't like our #4C or our #6D so I think if he goes at all (which I doubt very much) it will be for a hockey deal of some sort.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

There is absolutely no reason for him to ask for anything less than the 6x7 Lucic and Okposo got, and even then he'd probably ask for more to start and settle at that number worst case.

We are not getting a home town discount and some team is probably willing to pay him over 6 mill a year for 7 years. That's something the Leafs flat out should not do for a one-dimensional winger wanting a career ending contract, never mind can not do. As evidence of the fact the Leafs probably have not started on contract negotiations with him.

If you get a 1st, 2nd and good prospect out of him, he's probably gone.

If we could have landed a 1st, 2nd and good prospect, I think he would have been moved at last year's trade deadline (or over the summer of 2017).

I think we hang on to him for this year playoffs and he walks in free agency this summer.

As for JVR's contract demands from any team, I'd be really surprised at anything below $5.5 m AAV and a term less than 6 years.

 

[Boutette]

We know he doesn't like our #4C

Then why did he promote Moore to the 3rd line and demote Bozak to the 4th line last game? Sound like what he really doesn't like is our #3C right now.

 

[Pucker77]

What I want the Leafs to do and what I think the Leafs will do are 2 totally different things. I think the Leafs will keep JVR and let him walk as a UFA after the playoffs. What I want the Leafs to do is trade him.

I have always been a fan of JVR, but after going through the last 10-15 years I do not want to lose assets that we can get a lot for. I understand people not wanting to lose his net front ability, but the way I look at it is that there are 30 teams that dont have JVR and they are still able to score.

JVR is great within 20 feet of the net, but outside of that he is useless. He is 6'3" 200+ but is afraid to play physical, is considered a very good skater but never wins any races to the puck, and in the defensive zone the Leafs could have a 12 year old in the line up and he would not chase the puck as much as JVR.

The Leafs should capitalize on a team wanting JVR's services. They could get a very good haul for him and open up so many possibilities. They could trade those pieces to a rebuilder for a defenseman or center, they could hold onto those pieces and keep the cupboard stocked, and they could either play Leivo or call up Johnsson. Either of those guys could play on the Bozak line or they can play on the 4th line and move Kapanen to that line.

The Leafs have so many options on the wing and are not winning the cup this year. If you want to field a competitive team for a long time, like Shanahan has stated, you cant let some of your best trade assets walk away for nothing.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

If the Boston loss (most likely 1st round opponent) wasn't telling enough on its own, this loss to Pittsburgh (best Eastern conference team) confirms what many have been saying: it's not the Leafs year. Coming off a two day break against the defending champions, this is what they bring: a good but not great performance. They "could" win the Cup sure, technically it is possible to get lucky 4 series in a row, but the chances are very, very low.

It's just not their year.

With a playoff spot virtually guaranteed, the logical thing to do is to sell JVR now. A 1st round pick is guaranteed at the TDL (with some kind of plus). Then combine picks to move up and pick a sure thing (Tkachuk = JVR replacement making league minimum), or have double the chance to land an elite player in the mid/late 1st round of the draft. Either way, Leafs pick up the final elite piece on the first round of this year's draft, and dominate for the next decade plus, just as the Pens dynasty fades.

 

[taurine330]

I could see JvR traded. Maybe JvR++ for Justin Faulk.

 

[LeafFever]

If the Boston loss (most likely 1st round opponent) wasn't telling enough on its own, this loss to Pittsburgh (best Eastern conference team) confirms what many have been saying: it's not the Leafs year. Coming off a two day break against the defending champions, this is what they bring: a good but not great performance. They "could" win the Cup sure, technically it is possible to get lucky 4 series in a row, but the chances are very, very low.

It's just not their year.

With a playoff spot virtually guaranteed, the logical thing to do is to sell JVR now. A 1st round pick is guaranteed at the TDL (with some kind of plus). Then combine picks to move up and pick a sure thing (Tkachuk = JVR replacement making league minimum), or have double the chance to land an elite player in the mid/late 1st round of the draft. Either way, Leafs pick up the final elite piece on the first round of this year's draft, and dominate for the next decade plus, just as the Pens dynasty fades.

You conviently left out the Tampa win...

 

[LeafFever]

Kings are spending.
They just acquired Phaneuf.
They want a "scoring winger".

JVR ?

I think the Kings got Phaneuf because he was not UFA. Not sure they want to add a guy who is since they might not make the playoffs.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

As of today, JVR pacing for 33 goals. Would fetch a good haul at the TDL, starting with a 1st round pick.

You conviently left out the Tampa win...

I did, but Boston is the team the Leafs are most likely to play in round 1, and Pitts is the team most likely to be there waiting in the ECF. The Leafs were rested and healthy (Pitts and Boston both had key injuries), so these games were pretty telling IMO.

 

[LeafFever]

As of today, JVR pacing for 33 goals. Would fetch a good haul at the TDL, starting with a 1st round pick.



I did, but Boston is the team the Leafs are most likely to play in round 1, and Pitts is the team most likely to be there waiting in the ECF. The Leafs were rested and healthy (Pitts and Boston both had key injuries), so these games were pretty telling IMO.

The Pittsburgh game was telling for me: The Pens looked deeply flawed and horrible defensively. That is the current fav to win the cup. Think about that.. WE are not far off at all.

 

[Brown Dog]

Would love to keep JVR and think he'll be missed more than most Leaf fans realize. But I can't see how we can keep him beyond this year with the other commitments coming up.

 

[Daisy Jane]

If the Boston loss (most likely 1st round opponent) wasn't telling enough on its own, this loss to Pittsburgh (best Eastern conference team) confirms what many have been saying: it's not the Leafs year. Coming off a two day break against the defending champions, this is what they bring: a good but not great performance. They "could" win the Cup sure, technically it is possible to get lucky 4 series in a row, but the chances are very, very low.

It's just not their year.

With a playoff spot virtually guaranteed, the logical thing to do is to sell JVR now. A 1st round pick is guaranteed at the TDL (with some kind of plus). Then combine picks to move up and pick a sure thing (Tkachuk = JVR replacement making league minimum), or have double the chance to land an elite player in the mid/late 1st round of the draft. Either way, Leafs pick up the final elite piece on the first round of this year's draft, and dominate for the next decade plus, just as the Pens dynasty fades.

I don't think the win vs. the Leafs means anything more than the fact the Leafs ripped off 6 games in a row vs. Boson means anything. just because you feel it may not be their year doesn't mean the leafs shouldn't make some changes and see how far they can go assess the situation/results after they get eliminated and move on.

 

[The CyNick]

If the Boston loss (most likely 1st round opponent) wasn't telling enough on its own, this loss to Pittsburgh (best Eastern conference team) confirms what many have been saying: it's not the Leafs year. Coming off a two day break against the defending champions, this is what they bring: a good but not great performance. They "could" win the Cup sure, technically it is possible to get lucky 4 series in a row, but the chances are very, very low.

It's just not their year.

With a playoff spot virtually guaranteed, the logical thing to do is to sell JVR now. A 1st round pick is guaranteed at the TDL (with some kind of plus). Then combine picks to move up and pick a sure thing (Tkachuk = JVR replacement making league minimum), or have double the chance to land an elite player in the mid/late 1st round of the draft. Either way, Leafs pick up the final elite piece on the first round of this year's draft, and dominate for the next decade plus, just as the Pens dynasty fades.

In your mind there's an elite piece where the Leafs will be drafting in the 1st round this year? Interesting, yet wildly inaccurate take.

 

[Rogie]

I don't mind admitting I DON'T know and can't guess what MANAGEMENT is going to do with either of JVR or Bozak.

I've read lots of stuff by really (fairly?) smart people on here, yet, I still have no confidence that I know what's going to happen to these 2 players at the TDL.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

In your mind there's an elite piece where the Leafs will be drafting in the 1st round this year? Interesting, yet wildly inaccurate take.

It's a great strategy if it works.

Makes me wonder why everybody isn't doing it....

 

[TheGoldenJet]

The Pittsburgh game was telling for me: The Pens looked deeply flawed and horrible defensively. That is the current fav to win the cup. Think about that.. WE are not far off at all.

Pens were missing Hornqvist who is Crosby's RW. Imagine if Crosby's line had been going as well, on top of the other two...meanwhile Letang is playing like a #1D again after being garbage all year. But I digress.