Dreger: JVR not expected back with the leafs

[405Exit]

We don't need a 30 goal prospect, because we have potential 20 goal prospects who can make up part of the loss, and the money that frees up goes to other areas to make the team better.

You don’t bank on potential when you have a proven product at your doorstep. I totally disagree with your statement.

 

[rent free]

So your team gets older while other teams get younger. Sounds like a plan.

would you not be doing that if you signed jvr?

 

[bsu]

Oilers should use the Lucic money for JVR.

 

[Drew311]

You don’t bank on potential when you have a proven product at your doorstep. I totally disagree with your statement.

Ryan, Okposo and Ladd were also proven. Ask the teams who signed them how that worked out.

Sometimes it best to move on when the time is right. The Leafs have the talent up front to insulate rookies like Kapanen and Johnsson. When you have depth at a certain position you don't sink more money into it, you do your best to balance your team.

 

[405Exit]

would you not be doing that if you signed jvr?

He’s 28 and a lot better than ritchie and Chimera and our average age is about that mark on the Ducks. I don’t see how Joe thornton signing would be better than re signing JVR. Ones 38 and ones 28 an entire decade apart.

 

[rent free]

He’s 28 and a lot better than ritchie and Chimera and our average age is about that mark on the Ducks. I don’t see how Joe thornton signing would be better than re signing JVR. Ones 38 and ones 28 an entire decade apart.

thornton is a C which is what toronto needs. if we sign him we can allow nylander to play with matthews and not have a hole at 3C at the same time

 

[405Exit]

thornton is a C which is what toronto needs. if we sign him we can allow nylander to play with matthews and not have a hole at 3C at the same time

Who’s going to LW that line? You can’t possibly say kapanen he hasn’t even broke the 10 goal mark his entire career.

I don’t know man. This Toronto situation is sketchy with all the juggling going on to make up for JVR.

 

[rent free]

Who’s going to LW that line? You can’t possibly say kapanen he hasn’t even broke the 10 goal mark his entire career.

I don’t know man. This Toronto situation is sketchy with all the juggling going on to make up for JVR.

leivo. he has potential and has not been given a fair shot. next season's his opportunity and he has the front seat to a roster spot

 

[Wingsfan 4 life]

Apparently Dreger needed a day full of Jameson shots and Irish car bombs to come to this conclusion.

 

[AvroArrow]

We should get rid of Gardiner/Bozak and Resign JVR.

Or trade Marleau and resign JVR.

 

[DatSnipeMatthews]

Kapanen and Johnsson are both capable of 20 goals if put in the right situation. They would also be much cheaper options and allow the Leafs to get better at other positions. JVR is a 3rd line winger right now and there's no way the Leafs will pay him what he wants/deserves.

JVR is literally the definition of a one dimensional player. He can't play defense at all, he's slow, he has average or below average vision, he's not great along the boards etc. He's only good at one area in the game, and that's within 5 feet of the net. Granted he's freakin' elite there. If he somehow loses on edge in front of the net, he's a completely useless player, barely nhl caliber.

 

[rent free]

We should get rid of Gardiner/Bozak and Resign JVR.

Or trade Marleau and resign JVR.

gardiner and bozak play more important roles on our team. also no one's gonna want marleau and his deal only interferes with the big 3's for 1 season. jvr's will for many seasons.

 

[Menzinger]

You don’t bank on potential when you have a proven product at your doorstep. I totally disagree with your statement.

It’s not as simple as that though - in a hard capped league with guaranteed contracts, it can often be smarter to bank on younger, cheaper players with potential than to double down on aging expensive vets.

Especially when discussing who essentially should be in a depth scoring role (what JVR is) at even strength and as a Pp specialist.

 

[Drew311]

Who’s going to LW that line? You can’t possibly say kapanen he hasn’t even broke the 10 goal mark his entire career.

I don’t know man. This Toronto situation is sketchy with all the juggling going on to make up for JVR.

Lol his entire career?? Kapanen is a rookie and has played 90% on the 4th line. Please don't comment on Leafs related topics if you have no clue about the team.

 

[firstemperor]

We should get rid of Gardiner/Bozak and Resign JVR.

Or trade Marleau and resign JVR.

The problem with dropping Marleau to resign JVR is the term JVR will command. Marleau's first 2 years doesn't hurt us. It's the 3rd year that does. In JVR's case, it will be the 3rd year onward (and keep in mind, Marleau's 3rd year has a huge signing bonus). That's going to tie in with the young guys exiting their ELC, Gardiner expiring, and a window of UFA's we may or may not want to take a look at (Doughty, Karlsson, onwards).

Also, without Marleau, we have a team full of young players and really, no veteran with winning pedigree on the team besides Hainsey (at defense), at least one that plays up in the lineup and heavy minutes (Moore doesn't count).

I wasn't a huge fan of the Marleau signing but I can see the utility of it.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I don't think it is fair to expect any of the kids to replace JVR's production. Whatever is lost in offensive production should be relatively gained in defense. If say Kapanen can put up 40 points on the third line playing good defensive hockey and killing penalties....That will make the Leafs a different team but not necessarily a worse team.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I don't think it is fair to expect any of the kids to replace JVR's production. Whatever is lost in offensive production should be relatively gained in defense. If say Kapanen can put up 40 points on the third line playing good defensive hockey and killing penalties....That will make the Leafs a different team but not necessarily a worse team.

The main benefit is that we won't have 2 players that you need to shelter to a stupid degree. That's 14 soft minutes we can distribute to Matthews/Kadri/Nylander or whoever is running the new 3rd line. Even if Kapanen only scores 25 points in JVR's spot (unlikely), Matthews and Kadri feasting on softer minutes should bump their point totals by more than we lose in the JVR to Kapanen "downgrade".

Plus picking up an extra 3+ minutes a night on the PP is going to help someone's totals.

 

[Finnish your Czech]

The Leafs must really value Marleau's experience and leadership because JVR>Marleau.

I think if JVR was willing to sign an3 year contract the Leafs would have taken it...

 

[varano]

Canes won't get him . Just so you're aware . Their current ownership and GM status is enough to tell players not to come.

He's going to Jersey.

Canes will likely be after him pretty hard. Even though he's LW (a position we have plenty of) we need scoring in a big way and he's probably the most realistic option on the market that would even consider us.

 

[varano]

That would leave Marleau, Hyman and Leivo on the Left side.
Hopefully a kid from the Marlies can step up.

Hopefully they find a way to use that money in the interim before the big three get their increases.

Kapanen will be a more prevalent player . It'll be time for kapenen to move up to first line and Nylander to take third line center and take over bozaks line . Matthews can make anyone around him good .

 

[Sniper99]

thank jesus

I cant believe you want to lose a 30+ goal scorer, real sad.

 

[rent free]

I cant believe you want to lose a 30+ goal scorer, real sad.

does nothing beyond 10 feet from the net

 

[Sniper99]

Why didn't they trade him?

for what the usual prospect and picks when they're gunning for the playoffs? Makes total sense.

 

[Sniper99]

Who’s going to LW that line? You can’t possibly say kapanen he hasn’t even broke the 10 goal mark his entire career.

I don’t know man. This Toronto situation is sketchy with all the juggling going on to make up for JVR.

His entire career? Hes played a total of 46 games over 3 seasons, dont make it sound like hes been around for 10 years.

Also if you tried watching Kapanen, hes getting better and better every game.

 

[405Exit]

Lol his entire career?? Kapanen is a rookie and has played 90% on the 4th line. Please don't comment on Leafs related topics if you have no clue about the team.

Three season in a leafs uniform going up and down from the marlies. I know kapanen. He hasn’t even scored 10 goals yet and leafs fans are expecting him to produce JVR numbers? Cmon lets be honest here. I know he’s an amazing prospect, but to expect JVR production right out the gate is a bit silly one would think.