Dreger: JVR not expected back with the leafs

[Nizdizzle]

Brown is already more or less a 20/20 guy. Saying Kapanen and his 9pts in 46 games or Leivo who can't even get into 20 games this year or Johnssson with 2 games of NHL experience can all "easily" score 20/20 Is optimistic to say the least.

I said they were easily capable of scoring 20/20 with improved situation and opportunity. There is a very big difference there. We've already touched on the fact that they have been buried in the lineup due to the Leafs forward depth, so not really sure why you felt the need to list their games played.

The fact is, the Leafs have guys that have been buried by depth and are ready to step in and take a spot. That wasn't happening as long as JVR was here. They don't need all of them to do so, just one to mitigate the loss of JVR as much as possible. I get that you might not think much of the players I listed from when you searched their stats, but I assure you that there will be a few 20-goal scores from that bunch.

 

[Fogelhund]

The Leafs must really value Marleau's experience and leadership because JVR>Marleau.

They are only seven points apart, with Marleau having 34 points 5 on 5, and JvR 29 points 5 on 5 and 18 points on the PP. Marleau plays both ends of the ice, and is far better defensively. I'd say, they are pretty much a wash. JvR is the superior scorer and PP expert, Marleau better at everything else.

 

[sharks9]

I'd take him if we trade Pacioretty, but not for 6 years

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Gee, Dredger how insightful. 95% of Leaf fans knew LAST summer he wasn't going to be resigned. For cap reasons, and really his overall play doesn't warrant a big salary that other teams will pay. Good for JVR for having a stellar season, but in a cap world and the Leafs have youngsters that are going to making big money soon, there was no space for JVR on the Leafs.

 

[Magic Man]

The Leafs must really value Marleau's experience and leadership because JVR>Marleau.

JVR is much more dangerous offensively. Marleau has faced a higher quality of competition and has been on PP2, while JVR has been on PP1, but Marleau doesn't seem to have near the skill of JVR at this stage of his career. That being said, I wouldn't undue the Marleau signing.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

That would leave Marleau, Hyman and Leivo on the Left side.
Hopefully a kid from the Marlies can step up.

Well Johnsson is on 41 goal pace this season in the NHL.

 

[dasaybz]

Why didn't they trade him?

 

[ACC1224]

Why didn't they trade him?

NHL Hockey Standings

 

[pheasant]

Why didn't they trade him?

Something about... wanting to win..?

I don't know. It sometimes almost seems like the primary objective of an NHL franchise isn't asset management. The fools.

 

[dasaybz]

Something about... wanting to win..?

I don't know. It sometimes almost seems like the primary objective of an NHL franchise isn't asset management. The fools.

You know you can do both at the same time right? To not get any assets for him and to just let him walk is incredibly dumb.

 

[96]

If we let JVR go and re-sign bozak I’ll be livid. I’ve had enough of him, either keep jvr and get rid of Bozie or let him both walk after the playoffs.

Bring in Joe Thornton at 5-5.5M/2Y.

Matthews
Thornton
Kadri
Aaltonen/Komarov

 

[pheasant]

You know you can do both at the same time right? To not get any assets for him and to just let him walk is incredibly dumb.

I disagree completely. Trading him before the playoffs, when the team is playing fantastic and has a chance to go far, would have been incredibly dumb.

In my opinion.

 

[CheMxDawG]

JVR to Carolina

Sign Eric Staal next July

Get Marc Staal at retained price

Stanley Cup 2020

 

[Leafs1993]

Please name the few who can "easily" put up 20/20 next season?

There are only 10 guys who are likely to hit 40pts as rookies in the entire NHL this year, but apparently the Leafs are hiding a few of them for unknown reasons.

There are a few that could have 20/20 next year with better defensive upside.
Namely Kasperi Kapanen, Andreas Johnsson being the most likely. Each of those two have been PPG in the AHL. Not saying that means they will immediatly impact in nhl, but its not crazy to think either. Some other dark horses are Carl Grundstrom and Yegor Korshkov. Grundstrom really impressed in training camp this year.

If Kappy or Johnsson can reach atleast 40 its a much better scenario IMO.

Kappy/Johnsson less offensive upside (ATM) better defensive upside @ entry level contracts > JvR better offensive upside (atm) less defensive upside @ 5.5-7m

Its a risk I would be willing to take.

 

[dasaybz]

I disagree completely. Trading him before the playoffs, when the team is playing fantastic and has a chance to go far, would have been incredibly dumb.

In my opinion.

I haven't tasted the playoffs in a very long time so our thought process is probably miles apart. However, the Leafs are still such a young team with a fantastic young core and I feel like their time for doing these kinds of things should be down the road a bit. Could have gotten a really nice package for him.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

If we let JVR go and re-sign bozak I’ll be livid. I’ve had enough of him, either keep jvr and get rid of Bozie or let him both walk after the playoffs.

Bring in Joe Thornton at 5-5.5M/2Y.

Matthews
Thornton
Kadri
Aaltonen/Komarov

the thought of Leafs going after Tavares makes no sense to me at all, unless we let all 3 guys go and bring in J.T and a vet winger. All in all I kinda want Tavares to go to MTL

 

[howkie]

So Shero is loading up then, Hall JVR on the left side, not bad

 

[Legend123]

This is actually a perfect opportunity for BargainBin to seize.
Trade Pacs and get good value at the draft and replace him with JVR.

 

[405Exit]

The Leafs must really value Marleau's experience and leadership because JVR>Marleau.

Hands down JVR is better Than Marleau. Toronto is dropping the ball on this one for sure. Now it’s time for Anaheim or Detroit or Jersey to finally get a 30+ goal scorer on the LW for nothing but cash. No assets wasted.

Not sure what Toronto is thinking here. That Marleau signing looks mighty ridiculous now with JVR being expendable.

Edmonton needs to be all over him he's perfect for Mcdavid

I don’t even think you guys can afford him with all the signings you just made and new contracts expiring. It’s Ducks, Wings, VGK, and Panthers in on JVR.

 

[Jozay]

You know you can do both at the same time right? To not get any assets for him and to just let him walk is incredibly dumb.

not when you're in the position the Leafs are in.

 

[405Exit]

JVR is much more dangerous offensively. Marleau has faced a higher quality of competition and has been on PP2, while JVR has been on PP1, but Marleau doesn't seem to have near the skill of JVR at this stage of his career. That being said, I wouldn't undue the Marleau signing.

I would JVR is one of the top 10 scoring left wingers in the entire league and almost 10 years younger. Heck I’m a ducks fan and Rakell can barely tie his goal ratio this point in the season. Marleau is by far inferior to JVR on the left wing position both age wise and production wise. I can care less about defensive counter arguments. Toronto is dropping the ball on this one badly.

 

[Drew311]

There aren't though there is nobody on the farm that can do what he does

Kapanen and Johnsson are both capable of 20 goals if put in the right situation. They would also be much cheaper options and allow the Leafs to get better at other positions. JVR is a 3rd line winger right now and there's no way the Leafs will pay him what he wants/deserves.

 

[Drew311]

I don't think you have any prospects who will put up 30/30...?

We don't need a 30 goal prospect, because we have potential 20 goal prospects who can make up part of the loss, and the money that frees up goes to other areas to make the team better.

 

[405Exit]

If we let JVR go and re-sign bozak I’ll be livid. I’ve had enough of him, either keep jvr and get rid of Bozie or let him both walk after the playoffs.

Bring in Joe Thornton at 5-5.5M/2Y.

Matthews
Thornton
Kadri
Aaltonen/Komarov

So your team gets older while other teams get younger. Sounds like a plan.

 

[Drew311]

Edmonton needs to be all over him he's perfect for Mcdavid

I'm not sure you actually watch JVR. He doesn't have the speed to keep up with McDavid. JVR scores his goals from within five feet of the net, he doesn't need McDavid to do that.