For some reason I can handle looking at the lineup a little better if I mentally picture the Petan/Copp/Dano line as line 3 and the Matthais/Lowry/Tanev line as line 4. I know the minutes won't shake out that way though.
Looking forward to watching Poolman again and seeing if he continues his play. Long shot prediction, I think he's going to score trailing on a rush with a blast after receiving a drop pass.
Why?
Dano/Copp/Petan looked like hot garbage with their minutes against the Oilers. Think they had like 1 shot attempt for and 12 against. They were also sheltered when they could be.
Meanwhile, Matthias/Lowry/Tanev were quite effective with much tougher minutes and just about 0 sheltering. Over 50% corsi for Lowry.
I don't understand why people think that possessing "skill" (whatever that means) makes you a more effective NHLer than guys who actually produce consistent results (Lowry anyways, not always sure how he carries around the Tanev's and Matthias' of the world and doesn't sink)
Having whatever "skill" that Petan/Copp/Dano do that Lowry does not doesn't seem to make them more effective NHLers at this point.
Hmmm. You know that Petan is pretty great when he is playing with talented players? I am still trying to figure out how a fan of the team wouldn't want to at least test Petan with better players. Every measure we have for Petan says playing him with plugs is bad. Playing him with talent increases his performance significantly while also improving his line mates performance.
Your new claim is that Lowry is being dragged down by Matthias? Matthias has a history of being a far superior scorer. Lowry is a bad 5on5 scorer. He only scored in junior as a 19 year old.
Agreeing with the coach doesn't make you right, it just means you agree with the coach.
Why?
Dano/Copp/Petan looked like hot garbage with their minutes against the Oilers. Think they had like 1 shot attempt for and 12 against. They were also sheltered when they could be.
Meanwhile, Matthias/Lowry/Tanev were quite effective with much tougher minutes and just about 0 sheltering. Over 50% corsi for Lowry.
I don't understand why people think that possessing "skill" (whatever that means) makes you a more effective NHLer than guys who actually produce consistent results (Lowry anyways, not always sure how he carries around the Tanev's and Matthias' of the world and doesn't sink)
Having whatever "skill" that Petan/Copp/Dano do that Lowry does not doesn't seem to make them more effective NHLers at this point.
Lowry is damn consistent - it is the usage that rubs people the wrong way. The one in game 1, that is. He has no place in any line in which he would have to produce points consistently, for he lacks the talent to do that. In a shutdown role, on a shutdown line, he is a great, great player to have. He has all the tools a shutdown center ever needs.Why?
Dano/Copp/Petan looked like hot garbage with their minutes against the Oilers. Think they had like 1 shot attempt for and 12 against. They were also sheltered when they could be.
Meanwhile, Matthias/Lowry/Tanev were quite effective with much tougher minutes and just about 0 sheltering. Over 50% corsi for Lowry.
I don't understand why people think that possessing "skill" (whatever that means) makes you a more effective NHLer than guys who actually produce consistent results (Lowry anyways, not always sure how he carries around the Tanev's and Matthias' of the world and doesn't sink)
Having whatever "skill" that Petan/Copp/Dano do that Lowry does not doesn't seem to make them more effective NHLers at this point.
One off-game(mainly because of laughable use), and suddenly he's not valuable asset to the team. [mod]So glad we didn't hang onto our draft position and leave Armia exposed in the expa
Jets don't score much when Lowry is on the ice, but they also don't give up much, despite having him face good competition and a high proportion of D zone starts. If his line can consistently play his opponents to a standstill, then the Jets' top 2 lines should be able to carry the advantage.Lowry is damn consistent - it is the usage that rubs people the wrong way. The one in game 1, that is. He has no place in any line in which he would have to produce points consistently, for he lacks the talent to do that. In a shutdown role, on a shutdown line, he is a great, great player to have. He has all the tools a shutdown center ever needs.
Now, whether your third line is supposed to have Lowry in it, that's debatable. I personally think that he shouldn't be there, but Maurice seems to disagree.
Hmmm. You know that Petan is pretty great when he is playing with talented players? I am still trying to figure out how a fan of the team wouldn't want to at least test Petan with better players. Every measure we have for Petan says playing him with plugs is bad. Playing him with talent increases his performance significantly while also improving his line mates performance.
Your new claim is that Lowry is being dragged down by Matthias? Matthias has a history of being a far superior scorer. Lowry is a bad 5on5 scorer. He only scored in junior as a 19 year old.
Agreeing with the coach doesn't make you right, it just means you agree with the coach.
Gameday!
Looking forward to tonight's game. Let's get on a roll and keep the winz coming pls.
I believe we get Beyak & Ray Ferraro tonight on the TSN broadcast! I was hoping Ray would do all our TSN west coast games. Suck it sportsnet.
Last game, I liked having a fully rested, non pp, fully intact Lowry line to put on the ice right after our PP to go against the opposition's best. It didn't feel disjointed and they can usually handle a pushback from the other teams best.
Roll 4 lines, make all the saves, score all the goals, take all the points!
GoGo!
if this is true then petan better think of getting into a new line of work because he will only be playing with these so called plugs for the rest of his career.Hmmm. You know that Petan is pretty great when he is playing with talented players? I am still trying to figure out how a fan of the team wouldn't want to at least test Petan with better players. Every measure we have for Petan says playing him with plugs is bad. Playing him with talent increases his performance significantly while also improving his line mates performance.
Your new claim is that Lowry is being dragged down by Matthias? Matthias has a history of being a far superior scorer. Lowry is a bad 5on5 scorer. He only scored in junior as a 19 year old.
Agreeing with the coach doesn't make you right, it just means you agree with the coach.
In another thread (now closed), there was reference to an article by Dellow that cited how bad the Jets 3rd line was last year in goal differential.
I had a quick look at Corsica data to investigate, and thought the results were interesting.
Here are the on-ice goal differentials (5v5) for lines centered by Jets' centres last season. Note, for Perreault and Burmi I only looked at the data for the lines on which they played with two wingers, to isolate lines on which they played C. Occasionally, it was ambiguous (e.g. Copp with Burmi), so I omitted those data from the summary.
5v5 on-ice goal differential (2016/17):
Scheifele +15
Little -1
Lowry -2
Copp -2
Burmi -5
Perreault -11
What's clear is that a lot of the poor goal differential 5v5 happened when Perreault was at C. But GD only tells you what happened, and isn't a very good way of forecasting what will happen. So I dug a bit deeper into Perreault's role as a C and looked at the total raw Corsi (5v5) for line combinations where he was C.
Perreault at C: CF 177 CA 210 CF% 45.7
Given Perreault's remarkable performance on the wing, clearly the most important message is that Perreault should not play C.
Oh, and Little needs a bounce-back season if the Jets are going to make a lot of noise.
clearly the most important message is that Perreault should not play C
Just to be clear. Ideally Lowry isn't my 3rd line center. However, I don't trust Petan, Copp or Roslo at that spot taking the same kind of matchups.
I'd love to drop MP down to the third line to help out but then we loose our best play driver in the top 6. I want Laing playing with MP for now to help him spend more time in the offensive zone. That leaves Ehlers as a candidate to drop to the 3rd line but I don't want to break up one of the leagues best lines in ESW.
Although I prefer not having Lowry as a 3C, until we don't need to shelter or support a Petan/Copp/Roslo type with one of our high end wingers I'm okay with Lowry where he is.
Lowry gets the minutes he does because he doesn't need to be sheltered. They aren't gifted to him by the coaching staff.