Prospect Info: Jacob De La Rose

[Talks to Goalposts]

I strongly disagree with this. Take a look at how many dmen were drafted as potemtial 2nd pairing dmen but became top pairing dmen. Are you saying that a dman should never be drafted in the 20+ range as they are never drafted to be top pairing players in those draft positions?

I'm talking about guys with likely insufficient puck skill to play in the upper half a lineup are bad bets even late in the 1st round. Tinordi in particular had the sort of unbalanced skillset that made it unlikely that he'd be more than a specialist.

 

[DAChampion]

I'm talking about guys with likely insufficient puck skill to play in the upper half a lineup are bad bets even late in the 1st round. Tinordi in particular had the sort of unbalanced skillset that made it unlikely that he'd be more than a specialist.

Tinordi may have become a better player under a more effective AHL coach.

They were grooming him to be Chars without the offensive ability. He ended up getting concussions and focusing on muscle mass rather than speed or coordination.

I'd like to take your side on this given your track record, but I'm remembering the Tinordi who faced Ottawa in 2013. He was an effective NHL player. The consensus on this board was that Tinordi was our best D prospect, and Beaulieu was expendable.

If the Bulldogs had been coached by s real coach the past few years we might have had each of LeBlanc Tinordi and JDLR on our starting lineup. Three NHL players who repressed and became Swiss league level players.

 

[1909]

Tinordi may have become a better player under a more effective AHL coach.

They were grooming him to be Chars without the offensive ability. He ended up getting concussions and focusing on muscle mass rather than speed or coordination.

I'd like to take your side on this given your track record, but I'm remembering the Tinordi who faced Ottawa in 2013. He was an effective NHL player. The consensus on this board was that Tinordi was our best D prospect, and Beaulieu was expendable.

If the Bulldogs had been coached by s real coach the past few years we might have had each of LeBlanc Tinordi and JDLR on our starting lineup. Three NHL players who repressed and became Swiss league level players.

Tinordi has never shown anything special even at OHL level. But of course, bashing Lefebvre and MT is your favourite pastime. Just a bad Timmins pick. Another one.

 

[Talks to Goalposts]

Tinordi may have become a better player under a more effective AHL coach.

They were grooming him to be Chars without the offensive ability. He ended up getting concussions and focusing on muscle mass rather than speed or coordination.

I'd like to take your side on this given your track record, but I'm remembering the Tinordi who faced Ottawa in 2013. He was an effective NHL player. The consensus on this board was that Tinordi was our best D prospect, and Beaulieu was expendable.

If the Bulldogs had been coached by s real coach the past few years we might have had each of LeBlanc Tinordi and JDLR on our starting lineup. Three NHL players who repressed and became Swiss league level players.

I liked Tinordi the 20 year old enough to think he'd be an NHLer too. Just I was aware he always had a pretty limited potential upside. Which is what happens when you're drafting a guy to be in the Hal Gill mold.

The Habs AHL inepititude is also something I agree on, the regression Tinordi and Leblanc went through under this regime would be a big part on the case against them.

 

[1909]

I liked Tinordi the 20 year old enough to think he'd be an NHLer too. Just I was aware he always had a pretty limited potential upside. Which is what happens when you're drafting a guy to be in the Hal Gill mold.

The Habs AHL inepititude is also something I agree on, the regression Tinordi and Leblanc went through under this regime would be a big part on the case against them.

What about they were not good enough to make the NHL ?

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Tinordi has never shown anything special even at OHL level. But of course, bashing Lefebvre and MT is your favourite pastime. Just a bad Timmins pick. Another one.

He probably should've played college hockey and worked on his game rather than going to London where he was more focused on fighting.

 

[Talks to Goalposts]

What about they were not good enough to make the NHL ?

Leblanc played as a legit NHL forward at 20, so its not a question of never being good enough to be in the big league. He got much worse afterward.

Likewise, Tinordi was at his best playing at the end of the 2013 season and declined rather than got better from that point.

 

[Bryson]

Remember when everyone said this guy was going to replace Eller because 3rd line defensive centers that can score 15-20 goals while getting no pp fall from trees even though jdlr never showed a single iota of offensive instinct in the minors? Good times...

More like Jacob De La Busto.

 

[Agalloch]

Remember when everyone said this guy was going to replace Eller because 3rd line defensive centers that can score 15-20 goals while getting no pp fall from trees even though jdlr never showed a single iota of offensive instinct in the minors? Good times...

More like Jacob De La Busto.

He's still young but he doesn't seem to want it more than others.

We will see this season but I expect him to be traded before he bolts to europe.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I was told I was "full of crap" when I didn't count JDLR as a developed or established NHLer. That I was arguing in bad faith when I said he had regressed. That JDLR is, actually, a coup for Bergevin and Timmins and Lefebvre and I'm merely a hater for thinking we shouldn't count him as an established NHLer.

Does anybody think JDLR will make the lineup next year?

 

[DAChampion]

I was told I was "full of crap" when I didn't count JDLR as a developed or established NHLer. That I was arguing in bad faith when I said he had regressed. That JDLR is, actually, a coup for Bergevin and Timmins and Lefebvre and I'm merely a hater for thinking we shouldn't count him as an established NHLer.

Does anybody think JDLR will make the lineup next year?

I think his odds are less than even.

Lefebvre-ism has not been beneficial to JDLR.

 

[Whitesnake]

Dissapointing to say the least. Anybody who want to tell us otherwise are lying to themselves. NOT because every 2013 draftee should make it....absolutely not. But because he was already seen as the type of player that would come in failry quickly. And now, development seems to have stalled. And that can't be good. Don't count him out just yet though....a very good AHL year might restart it all......but he is dissapointing, no doubt. Don't give up just yet though. Wouldln't be Wise.

 

[Agalloch]

A bottom lineup guy should never be rushed.

De la rose and Matteau have lot of things in common.

 

[S Bah]

The Habs have made a conscience effort to draft some players with size, talent, physicality combined with two way play that enjoy going to the difficult areas.(Cornerwork, net presence/deflecting pucks/blocking goalies vision, etc.) Basically the role of PWF's, other than PWF's that are Top Five draft picks, most of these type players take a minimum of 3-4 yrs. before they learn their craft. Usually teams play these PWF's on their 3rd & 4th lines whilst they are still learning, good diverse examples of PWF's are;

Jerome Iginla - #6 OV in his draft year, became a top scoring PWF from his 1st year.

David Backes - #62 OV in 2003, his breakthrough season was in 2008/2009 scoring 31 g. + 23asst.=54pts. with 165 PIM's, later becoming St.Louis's Captain & star player, never scoring more than 31g + 31asst. = 62pts. in a season.

Bob Gainey - #8 OV in 1973, Bob considered by many experts to be one of the best ever PWF's to lace on skates. A powerful skater, relentless checker, his bodychecks made players feel like they skated into a brick wall, as a PK specialist there was no player better. The NHL instated the Frank Selke Trophy which was Bob's the 1st four yrs. it was awarded an All-Star those 4yrs., he won the Conn Smythe MVP of the playoffs in 1979, won 5 SCC's as a player and one as GM in Dallas. Bob was ranked 86th on The Hockey News list of 100 Greatest Hockey Players.HOFer also, of course.

Despite all of these great accomplishments Bob Gainey never scored more than 47pts. in a regular season, in 1980-1981 with 23g + 24asst. = 47pts. in his 7th season.

These are three PWF's, all very important players for their teams, fan favorites each one of them, most likely all three will be inducted into the HOF. One can't judge these players value by the stat's they put up, their value is as leaders on their team's. Player's that can change the momentum of games with bonejarring hits, relentless checking & 24/7 work ethic's. These players are leaders on their team's, in their communities, all walks of life, no wonder they are called Power Forwards. In almost all PWF's careers it usually takes about 6-7 yrs. before they reach their breakout seasons. Of course there are always exceptions like Bobby Hull, Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, Gordie Howe, Mark Messier, they are all Power Forwards.

As are Jacob de la Rose, Stefan Matteau, Michael McCarron, Connor Crisp etc., given that the PWF's picked at #6, #8 & #62 each took 6-7 yrs. until they reached their breakout season. Truly the Habs prospects above should be accorded the same leeway in becoming the best they can be, instead of proclaiming them busts at 21yrs. of age. JDLR. (21yrs.old) Stefan Matteau(22yrs.old), Michael McCarron(21yrs.old), Connor Crisp(22yrs.old), Tim Bozon(22yrs.old)a mere 3-4 yrs. since being drafted, another team that's on the ball would be snapping these players up off waivers or in a trade, if Bergevin wasn't the great GM he's been since taking on the GM's mantle for the Habs in May 2012. Go Habs Go!!!...

Oh I would be a really poor Habs fan, if I didn't mention the PWF the Habs drafted in the 2012 Entry Draft at #3 OV, Alex Galchenyuk whose career looks set for a path of stardom, after the breakout year he had in 2015-2016. Playing alongside Capt. Max Pacioretty & Asst. Capt. Brendan Gallagher, Alex certainly seems to have completed his apprenticeship, is becoming a leader for our illustrious Habs. Heading directly towards the Stanley Cup Playoffs, then onto the Finals & our 25th Stanley Cup Championship this season. Adding Weber, Shaw, Radulov, Sergachev, Redmond, Montoya, it surely looks like Bergevin has the Habs loaded for Bear(Boston Bruins perhaps, on their way!!!...)

 

[montreal]

DLR is 21, he should easily be a full time NHLer next year and will likely see games with us this year. I would think he's going to be a solid defensive forward in the NHL but the big question is, was and will be about his offense.

 

[Habs]

I was told I was "full of crap" when I didn't count JDLR as a developed or established NHLer. That I was arguing in bad faith when I said he had regressed. That JDLR is, actually, a coup for Bergevin and Timmins and Lefebvre and I'm merely a hater for thinking we shouldn't count him as an established NHLer.

Does anybody think JDLR will make the lineup next year?

No , he blows and he's soft. We only have room for one of those types of players, and DD is filling that quota.

 

[Rapala]

DLR is 21, he should easily be a full time NHLer next year and will likely see games with us this year. I would think he's going to be a solid defensive forward in the NHL but the big question is, was and will be about his offense.

He has zero instinct offensively...
Is it coaching that has him turning away from plays that would end up as glorious scoring chances had he just continued to follow through with his drive?

 

[lo striver]

No , he blows and he's soft. We only have room for one of those types of players, and DD is filling that quota.

nah. DD is filling "Local Talent" quota

 

[S Bah]

I feel that JDLR has been maligned despite playing a very good defensive checking role, his forte is skating doggedly pursuing the puck carriers to huge distraction.(Quite often coming away with the puck.) Fans need remember Jacob was playing quite well as a 19 yr.old for the Habs, defensively solid as a rock, playing in a foreign country in the Mecca of hockey(Montreal every home game). That in itself would be daunting experience for players like Connor McDavid, whose a home grown Canadian. As a lifelong Habs fan, I've seen many players older, that couldn't take the pressure cooker atmosphere of the old Forum, until they had matured after a few callups.

The Habs are allowing JDLR to come along at his own pace IMHO, getting accustomed to the speed and talent levels of the NHL veterans, doing an excellent job and developing well. I see him being a player that can be used against top end players, in a defensive role he will play those end of period close game icetime minutes, the type of player coaches love to have, fans can relax knowing he's on the ice the lead is safe. Also anyone that watched the WJHC's in Stockholm, when he was playing on a line with Forsberg, they had plenty offensive chances, he's not the "Black Hole" type of player some accuse him of being.

 

[yianik]

DLR is still very young, no reason at all to give up on the kid at all. Let him play and see if he can figure it over the next 2 years.

 

[Burke the Legend]

What about they were not good enough to make the NHL ?

So many people here just cannot accept that the majority of prospects (and even most 1st round draft picks outside of the top 10) just do not have the ability to become established NHL players, even ones who look very good in minor leagues like the AHL or European pros.

It has nothing to do with mean coaches, it's just it is insanely difficult to crack a NHL roster and stay there for season after season. So much of hfboards just cannot accept this reality.

 

[Price is Wright]

Because someone else did? You can take every team draft and take it apart pointing better picks a couple years later. Duclair could have really busted and already playing in the ECHL/Europe if at all. He was a risky pick and teams were playing chicken to see who would pick him first. Rangers won (then gave him up but ).

The draft is like a card game. You can count the cards but there is no way you're 100% sure which one to pick.

In what world is Duclair a risk smart to avoid but Connor Crisp was not?

Sometimes the team makes draft mistakes. This was one of them. Shouldn't really belong in this thread because Duclair should have been taken when Crisp was, not when DLR was.

 

[Goldenhands]

Is DLR waiver eligible next year?

 

[Mad Brills*]

Maybe.

 

[Hullois]

I was told I was "full of crap" when I didn't count JDLR as a developed or established NHLer. That I was arguing in bad faith when I said he had regressed. That JDLR is, actually, a coup for Bergevin and Timmins and Lefebvre and I'm merely a hater for thinking we shouldn't count him as an established NHLer.

Does anybody think JDLR will make the lineup next year?

You come on these boards to say that every single one of our prospects is/will be a bust, no wonder you get one or two right once in a while.

Anyway, I still believe DLR can be a good 3rd line C in the league. He's still got time.