Prospect Info: Isles Prospect Talk PART XI

[xIsle]

I think Bellows for U.S.

Maybe a couple of Fins?

Salo & Koivula? Maybe Koivula too old?

No, Koivula is not too old. He should be there. I expect 3 Islanders prospect to be there :
Bellows with team U.S.A.
Koivula and Salo with Finland.

 

[leeroggy]

No, Koivula is not too old. He should be there. I expect 3 Islanders prospect to be there :
Bellows with team U.S.A.
Koivula and Salo with Finland.

If Koivula doesn't make it this year that's a huge red flag

 

[Renbarg]

If Koivula doesn't make it this year that's a huge red flag

He'll def make it

 

[LordNeverLose]

If Koivula doesn't make it this year that's a huge red flag

He made it last season

 

[seabass45]

So who gets recalled to replace de Haan?

 

[SI90]

Devon Toews time to shine

 

[Lame Lambert]

So who gets recalled to replace de Haan?

No one because the Islanders would rather lose with Seidenberg than give Toews a chance.

Robert Brodsky: Two sources confirm: Belmont decision will be announced 11 am on Wednesday at the state run racetrack

Too much happy grass for you today

 

[xECK29x]

* = current assignment
+ = on IR or just hurt

NHL - New York Islanders

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Mathew Barzal	C	2015 round 1 #16	33	8	21	29	10	6
Anthony Beauvillier	LW/C	2015 round 1 #28	27	3	3	6	8	-8
Adam Pelech	D	2012 round 3 #65	29	0	11	11	14	7
Scott Mayfield	D	2011 round 2 #34	22	2	6	8	29	4
Josh Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	22	2	10	12	2	-7
Ryan Pulock	D	2013 round 1 #15	20	1	4	5	4	-6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

AHL - Bridgeport Sound Tigers

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Devon Toews	D	2014 round 4 #108	27	7	12	19	6	2
Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	26	3	9	12	16	0
Kyle Burroughs	D	2013 round 7 #196	27	1	5	6	43	10
Kyle Schempp	C	2014 round 6 #155	9	0	1	1	2	2
John Stevens	C	Undrafted FA	19	1	4	5	13	4
Mitchell Vande Sompel	D	2015 round 3 #82	22	2	11	13	20	-1
Parker Wotherspoon	D	2015 round 4 #112	15	2	2	4	10	-2
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	26	8	11	19	4	0
Josh Ho-Sang *	RW	2014 round 1 #28	8	2	6	8	6	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ECHL - Worcester Railers

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CHL

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Kieffer Bellows	LW/C	2016 round 1 #19	Portland Winterhawks	31	19	21	40	31	22
David Quenneville	D	2016 round 7 #200	Medicine Hat Tigers	33	12	24	36	26	-2
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	Halifax Mooseheads	34	13	14	27	26	2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

USHL

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Andong Song	D	2015 round 6 #172	Madison Capitols	22	1	0	1	6	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

NCAA

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Nick Pastujov	LW	2016 round 7 #193	Univ. of Michigan	12	3	1	4	8	0
Collin Adams	LW	2016 round 6 #170	Univ. of North Dakota	18	5	2	7	10	-4
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201	Boston Univ.	18	3	4	7	8	-1
Benjamin Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77	Providence College	18	5	5	10	19	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Europe

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	Sport	27	0	3	3	4	-8
		International-Jr	Finland U20 (all)	1	0	0	0	0	0
Otto Koivula	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #120	Ilves	32	4	14	18	18	-14
		International-Jr	Finland U20 (all)	1	1	0	1	0	0
Anatoli Golyshev	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg	25	9	6	15	10	8
Petter Hansson	D	2015 round 7 #202	Södertälje SK	27	0	0	0	6	-6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies

PLAYER	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	GAA	SV%
Ilya Sorokin	2014 round 3 #78	CSKA Moskva	KHL	25	1.51	.930
		Russia	EHT	2	2.00	.934
Linus Söderström	2014 round 4 #95	HV71	SHL	12	2.76	.893
		Sweden	EHT
Eamon McAdam	2013 round 3 #70	Worcester Railers	ECHL	15	2.65	.918
Christopher Gibson	Acq. via Trade	Bridgeport Sound Tigers	AHL	16	2.81	.894
Kristers Gudlevskis +	Acq. via Trade	Bridgeport Sound Tigers	AHL	13	2.81	.893

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[SI90]

Defense must be great in Bridgeport. Goalies both have terrible Save% but thier GAA isn’t as high as those Save percentages suggest.

Thompson teaching defense.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

I have a feeling once Bellows gets on AHL ice, Dal Colle is officially blasted in oblivion

 

[ekill08x]

I have a feeling once Bellows gets on AHL ice, Dal Colle is officially blasted in oblivion

Kid could come out of camp if he continues the pace hes on this year. Has a solid build and skates really well. Either way I am a lot more excited about him than I once was. Could be a nice goal scorer for us and a player whose priority is to finish and not to pass.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

Kid could come out of camp if he continues the pace hes on this year. Has a solid build and skates really well. Either way I am a lot more excited about him than I once was. Could be a nice goal scorer for us and a player whose priority is to finish and not to pass.

Good Point, in any event, once he surpasses MDC on the depth chart, who was drafted two full years before him and plays the same position, a lot of the hockey world will draw their conclusions. He has no chance of cracking the roster this year and next year is the '18-'19 season. To be 5 full years removed from the draft and still "making progress" in the AHL, not lighting up the lamp - the writing is already on the wall.

As far as Bellows, looks like leaving the NCAA and going to the WHL has paid dividends for his game - I know we could use a young talent with a chip on his shoulder. Still wouldn't mind seeing Nelson traded and replaced with Kiefer.

 

[seafoam]

From Corey Pronman:"...Devon Toews has been great in the AHL. He skates and moves the puck well, and while he may not become an impact NHL player, he’s taken his game to another level and has earned an opportunity when one presents itself. On the bad side, one NHL scout on Andong Song, who is currently in the USHL, called him one of the worst draft picks he’s ever seen."

 

[MatthewBarnabysTears]

From Corey Pronman:"...Devon Toews has been great in the AHL. He skates and moves the puck well, and while he may not become an impact NHL player, he’s taken his game to another level and has earned an opportunity when one presents itself. On the bad side, one NHL scout on Andong Song, who is currently in the USHL, called him one of the worst draft picks he’s ever seen."

Someone introduce this scout to Cody Rosen

 

[xECK29x]

From Corey Pronman:"...Devon Toews has been great in the AHL. He skates and moves the puck well, and while he may not become an impact NHL player, he’s taken his game to another level and has earned an opportunity when one presents itself. On the bad side, one NHL scout on Andong Song, who is currently in the USHL, called him one of the worst draft picks he’s ever seen."

That was a gift for Wang, all that selection was.

 

[scott99]

Really disappointed in Beauvillier this year. He really came on strong late last year, virtually invisible this year. And not as good defensively as advertised (that may come in time).

 

[scott99]

From Corey Pronman:"...Devon Toews has been great in the AHL. He skates and moves the puck well, and while he may not become an impact NHL player, he’s taken his game to another level and has earned an opportunity when one presents itself. On the bad side, one NHL scout on Andong Song, who is currently in the USHL, called him one of the worst draft picks he’s ever seen."

I think Toews won the fastest skater at the AHL all star game last year. At least we know skating won’t be an issue once he comes up, if he comes up this year. De Haan replacement next year.

 

[xIsle]

Really disappointed in Beauvillier this year. He really came on strong late last year, virtually invisible this year. And not as good defensively as advertised (that may come in time).

Have you noticed the use we make of him too? Playing with Chimera and Bernier will not help him blacken the score sheet either. The Nelson-Beau-Ho-Sang trio was a bad mix (Nelson and Beauvillier especially seem to have no chemistry together).

Beau looked good at the end of last season because he had a better ice time too. The higher the ice time is, the better the players are usually : it allows them to keep a better pace. And I also think that if Beauvillier and Ho-Sang must play on the same line, they need to be supported by an experienced winger capable of winning battles along the boards and to be some kind of reassuring presences for both youngsters, which Nelson definitely was not. It's players like Ladd or Kulemin who would have completed them better (or even Chimera version of last season).

In any case, to the point where things are, Beauvillier should be sent to Bridgeport so he can play a more offensive role and have a better ice time. I don't like how the Islanders use him now. It reminds me a bit when Niederreiter was playing with Pandolfo, Tim Wallace, Reasoner. It's probably not as bad, but Beau with Chimera and Bernier reminds me a bit of that.

 

[Hagstrom]

From Corey Pronman:"...Devon Toews has been great in the AHL. He skates and moves the puck well, and while he may not become an impact NHL player, he’s taken his game to another level and has earned an opportunity when one presents itself. On the bad side, one NHL scout on Andong Song, who is currently in the USHL, called him one of the worst draft picks he’s ever seen."

Song always seemed like a publicity stunt or something, to me

 

[PK Cronin]

Song always seemed like a publicity stunt or something, to me

Yeah, I don't think anyone here really thought he was was a legitimate prospect in any way. A Charles Wang move to help push his agenda overseas.

 

[redbull]

Have you noticed the use we make of him too? Playing with Chimera and Bernier will not help him blacken the score sheet either. The Nelson-Beau-Ho-Sang trio was a bad mix (Nelson and Beauvillier especially seem to have no chemistry together).

Beau looked good at the end of last season because he had a better ice time too. The higher the ice time is, the better the players are usually : it allows them to keep a better pace. And I also think that if Beauvillier and Ho-Sang must play on the same line, they need to be supported by an experienced winger capable of winning battles along the boards and to be some kind of reassuring presences for both youngsters, which Nelson definitely was not. It's players like Ladd or Kulemin who would have completed them better (or even Chimera version of last season).

In any case, to the point where things are, Beauvillier should be sent to Bridgeport so he can play a more offensive role and have a better ice time. I don't like how the Islanders use him now. It reminds me a bit when Niederreiter was playing with Pandolfo, Tim Wallace, Reasoner. It's probably not as bad, but Beau with Chimera and Bernier reminds me a bit of that.

I don't like the Beauvillier usage either but he hasn't played well, though he's still effective without the puck and doesn't hurt the team like Ho-Sang does. I think the real problem is Nelson - has anyone ever had chemistry with Brock? He's really hard to play with. He's soft, doesn't pass well, doesn't cycle well, isn't strong for his size, lacks vision/hockey sense and he's stuck in that poor offensively, poor defensively, 3rd line bermuda triangle.

Wouldn't mind Beauvillier being sent down to play more and get his offense back but I don't like who'd be coming back. I'm not a fan of Quine or Prince, I think they hurt us more than help. Bernier is talentless but he's like Kulemin, works hard, plays safe, can eat up minutes NOT hurting the team while the top two lines come back on the ice.

Is Tim Wallace still available?

 

[NC 1972]

I don't like the Beauvillier usage either but he hasn't played well, though he's still effective without the puck and doesn't hurt the team like Ho-Sang does. I think the real problem is Nelson - has anyone ever had chemistry with Brock? He's really hard to play with. He's soft, doesn't pass well, doesn't cycle well, isn't strong for his size, lacks vision/hockey sense and he's stuck in that poor offensively, poor defensively, 3rd line bermuda triangle.

Wouldn't mind Beauvillier being sent down to play more and get his offense back but I don't like who'd be coming back. I'm not a fan of Quine or Prince, I think they hurt us more than help. Bernier is talentless but he's like Kulemin, works hard, plays safe, can eat up minutes NOT hurting the team while the top two lines come back on the ice.

Is Tim Wallace still available?

Just an observation but whenever I see AB he's usually picking himself up from the ice. I like this kid especially when he was playing in the Q, but its obvious that he is physically overmatched.He needs to spend time in the AHL, get his game and confidence back. And while he's at it having a few milk shakes and hitting the gym wouldn't be a bad idea either.

 

[Top Corner]

Check isles record without JHS this year compared to with
Isles are still a much more dangerous team with him

 

[doublechili]

Check isles record without JHS this year compared to with
Isles are still a much more dangerous team with him

Not intended as a criticism of JHS but just a question: does he play against equal competition or is it a case of a coach sitting a young player against tough opponents sometimes?

 

[leeroggy]

Check isles record without JHS this year compared to with
Isles are still a much more dangerous team with him

And it's not like the team's GAA has improved with him out of the lineup either, so might as well get his offense back in the lineup right now.