Prospect Info: Isles Prospect Talk PART XI

[doublechili]

Durandeau with 9 points in 6 games is nice. That's heads and shoulders above what you'd expect for a 6th round pick.

 

[Bronson]

http://halifaxmooseheads.ca/video/highlights-armada-5-mooseheads-4-ot-oct-8th

First two Moose (red) goals are his. Seems like he has a good nose for the net and a good hand-eye coordination.

 

[Jester9881]

Bellows opens the scoring tonight for Portland, roughly 7 minutes in

 

[steveat]

Man, Keller is looking amazing. I remember some people saying he was too small....and I am sure he was solely responsible for making Bellows..I really hope now that Bellows is pushing himself more..I am hoping pedigree stays and he turns into a valuable asset like his dad...

 

[Jester9881]

Bellows has a G and A so far tonight, first period winding down.... didn't see how either happened, not watching this one.

 

[Jester9881]

Had some extra time today and a bug up my rear, so I did some half arsed investigation work that more than proved my suspicion I've felt for awhile now that the Islanders have seriously neglected the talent pool in Europe for a long time now. Going back to the 2010 draft, to hammer this point home I'm going to post who we drafted that year, plus the next three Euros and their positions as well as the next three N.Americans and their draft positions....

2010:
We pick Nino 5th overall (technically a Euro, but was picked out of NA)

Next 3 Euros:
9th - M. Granlundhttp://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=118389
16th - V. Tarasenko
26th - E. Kuznetsov

Next 3 NA:
6th - B. Connelly
7th - J. Skinner
8th - A. Burmistrov (same as Nino)

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2011:
We pick Strome 5th

Next 3 Euros:
6th - M. Zibanejad
10th - J. Brodin
16th J. Armia

Next 3 NA:
7th - M. Scheifele
8th - S. Couturier
9th - D. Hamilton

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2012:
We pick G. Reinhart 4th

Next 3 Euros:
6th - H. Lindholm
11th - F. Forsberg
17th - T. Hertl

Next 3 NA:
5th - M. Reilly
7th - M. Dumba
8th - D. Pouliot

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2013:
We pick R. Pulock 15th

Next 3 Euros:
16th - N. Zadorov
23rd - A. Burakovsky
27th - M.Dano

Next 3 NA:
17 - C. Lazar
18th - M. Mueller
19th - K. Rychel

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2014:
We pick M. dal Colle 5th

Next 3 Euros:
8th - W. Nylander
11th - K. Fiala
13th - J. Vrana

Next 3 NA:
6th - J. Virtanen
7th - H. Fleury
9th - N. Ehlers (Euro, but drafted out of NA)

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2015-17 is far too early yet. Take all these players and list them in order of how good they are. Eight of the top 10 are going to be Euros, and at least one of those out of NA is actually European (Ehlers).

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Had some extra time today and a bug up my rear, so I did some half arsed investigation work that more than proved my suspicion I've felt for awhile now that the Islanders have seriously neglected the talent pool in Europe for a long time now. Going back to the 2010 draft, to hammer this point home I'm going to post who we drafted that year, plus the next three Euros and their positions as well as the next three N.Americans and their draft positions....

2010:
We pick Nino 5th overall (technically a Euro, but was picked out of NA)

Next 3 Euros:
9th - M. Granlund
16th - V. Tarasenko
26th - E. Kuznetsov

Next 3 NA:
6th - B. Connelly
7th - J. Skinner
8th - A. Burmistrov (same as Nino)

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2011:
We pick Strome 5th

Next 3 Euros:
6th - M. Zibanejad
10th - J. Brodin
16th J. Armia

Next 3 NA:
7th - M. Scheifele
8th - S. Couturier
9th - D. Hamilton

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2012:
We pick G. Reinhart 4th

Next 3 Euros:
6th - H. Lindholm
11th - F. Forsberg
17th - T. Hertl

Next 3 NA:
5th - M. Reilly
7th - M. Dumba
8th - D. Pouliot

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2013:
We pick R. Pulock 15th

Next 3 Euros:
16th - N. Zadorov
23rd - A. Burakovsky
27th - M.Dano

Next 3 NA:
17 - C. Lazar
18th - M. Mueller
19th - K. Rychel

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2014:
We pick M. dal Colle 5th

Next 3 Euros:
8th - W. Nylander
11th - K. Fiala
13th - J. Vrana

Next 3 NA:
6th - J. Virtanen
7th - H. Fleury
9th - N. Ehlers (Euro, but drafted out of NA)

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2015-17 is far too early yet. Take all these players and list them in order of how good they are. Eight of the top 10 are going to be Euros, and at least one of those out of NA is actually European (Ehlers).

Some is hindsight, some was (slightly) obvious at the time. But the Strome, Dal Colle, and Reinhart picks, in particular, really stand out when you consider the impact players picked almost immediately after them.

 

[Benedict Kovalchuk]

Has anyone watched Sebastian Aho at all?

 

[boredmale]

Looks like Bellows is finally getting some multi point games, 5 points in his last 2 games and their is still some time(period+) left in this game

 

[PWJunior]

Looks like Bellows is finally getting some multi point games, back to back 3 point nights and their is still some time(period+) left in this game

So he's no longer a bust like he was last week when Portland was scoring a ton without him producing.

 

[boredmale]

So he's no longer a bust like he was last week when Portland was scoring a ton without him producing.

I have to admit it was somewhat troubling, I don't expect him to score at a Barzal pace, but anything below a PPG would be a huge disappointment given his age

 

[Jester9881]

I don't think anyone was calling him a bust..... it was concerning though.

 

[xECK29x]

Will update every Monday morning going forward.

* = current assignment
+ = on IR or just hurt

NHL - New York Islanders

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Mathew Barzal	C	2015 round 1 #16	6	0	1	1	4	-1
Anthony Beauvillier	LW/C	2015 round 1 #28	4	1	0	1	4	-2
Adam Pelech	D	2012 round 3 #65	6	0	1	1	4	2
Scott Mayfield	D	2011 round 2 #34	5	0	1	1	6	2
Joshua Ho-Sang	RW	2014 round 1 #28	5	0	4	4	4	1
Ryan Pulock	D	2013 round 1 #15	0	0	0	0	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

AHL - Bridgeport Sound Tigers

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Devon Toews	D	2014 round 4 #108	3	0	1	1	2	1
Michael Dal Colle	LW	2014 round 1 #5	3	0	0	0	4	-1
Kyle Burroughs	D	2013 round 7 #196	3	0	0	0	0	3
Kyle Schempp	C	2014 round 6 #155	0	0	0	0	0	0
John Stevens	C	Undrafted FA	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mitchell Vande Sompel	D	2015 round 3 #82	3	0	2	2	4	-1
Parker Wotherspoon	D	2015 round 4 #112	1	0	0	0	0	0
Sebastian Aho	D	2017 round 5 #139	3	1	1	2	0	2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

ECHL - Worcester Railers

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

CHL

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Kieffer Bellows	LW/C	2016 round 1 #19	Portland Winterhawks	9	6	6	12	12	10
David Quenneville	D	2016 round 7 #200	Medicine Hat Tigers	7	2	12	14	2	0
Arnaud Durandeau	LW	2017 round 6 #165	Halifax Mooseheads	9	4	7	11	6	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

USHL

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Andong Song	D	2015 round 6 #172	Madison Capitols	3	0	0	0	2	-1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

NCAA

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Nick Pastujov	LW	2016 round 7 #193	Univ. of Michigan	1	0	0	0	0	0
Collin Adams	LW	2016 round 6 #170	Univ. of North Dakota	4	2	0	2	0	0
Logan Cockerill	LW	2017 round 7 #201	Boston Univ.	4	0	0	0	4	-3
Benjamin Mirageas	D	2017 round 3 #77	Providence College	3	0	0	0	2	-2

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Europe

PLAYER	POS	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	PIM	+/-
Robin Salo	D	2017 round 2 #46	Sport	10	0	2	2	2	-2
Otto Koivula	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #120	Ilves	14	1	7	8	2	-3
Anatoli Golyshev +	LW/RW	2016 round 4 #95	Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg	13	5	2	7	6	4
Petter Hansson	D	2015 round 7 #202	Södertälje SK	9	0	0	0	4	-6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Goalies

PLAYER	DRAFT POS.	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	GAA	SV%
Ilya Sorokin	2014 round 3 #78	CSKA Moskva	KHL	13	1.59	.925
Linus Söderström	2014 round 4 #95	HV71	SHL	8	2.37	.906
Eamon McAdam	2013 round 3 #70	Worcester Railers	ECHL	1	3.00	.917
Christopher Gibson	Acq. via Trade	Bridgeport Sound Tigers	AHL	2	2.56	.900
Kristers Gudlevskis	Acq. via Trade	Bridgeport Sound Tigers	AHL	1	3.00	.857

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Soderstrom with a lower Save % than normal. Interesting.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'm surprised by how much Dal Colle is struggling to produce even at the AHL level. I thought his skating would hold him back from producing at the NHL level, but I figured he had enough natural talent/skill to be a high scorer in the AHL even with the skating limitations.

 

[Scramble]

Sorokin is so good, I wish he was in America

 

[luki here]

Sorokin is so good, I wish he was in America

actually sorokin seems to be struggling atm. CSKA doesn't seem so strong this year.

 

[Scramble]

actually sorokin seems to be struggling atm. CSKA doesn't seem so strong this year.

Currently his GAA is basically identical to last year and his save percentage is a hair lower than last year, I'm not sure how that's struggling. Is he supposed to score goals as well

 

[mabisles]

Currently his GAA is basically identical to last year and his save percentage is a hair lower than last year, I'm not sure how that's struggling. Is he supposed to score goals as well

Looks like Sorokin is no longer number one for UCKA

 

[LeapOnOver]

I'm surprised by how much Dal Colle is struggling to produce even at the AHL level. I thought his skating would hold him back from producing at the NHL level, but I figured he had enough natural talent/skill to be a high scorer in the AHL even with the skating limitations.

Pick is starting to look sickening with Ehlers and Nylander from that draft class. Absolutely brutal!

 

[Jester9881]

Haven't watched any BST games yet, is MDC paired with Eansor?

 

[doublechili]

Haven't watched any BST games yet, is MDC paired with Eansor?

Based purely on his stats I think he may be paired with Brian Strait on loan from the Devils.

 

[steveat]

Strait is obviously better...he's in the NHL

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Pick is starting to look sickening with Ehlers and Nylander from that draft class. Absolutely brutal!

Well, we keep harping on it, but there's no denying that this team would be in a different place if Snow had nailed it with several of those 1st rounders between 2010 and 2014, when he picked between 4th and 15th every year and 5th overall three times.

Fact is, we're rooting for a team that's on the outside looking in and not one of Niederreiter, Strome, Reinhart, Pulock or Dal Colle is even taking a regular shift. Of course, Eberle and Clutterbuck are here as are Barzal and Beauvillier, all of whom were acquired thanks to trades involving Niederreiter, Strome, and Reinhart, but it doesn't change the fact that none of those picks have positively impacted this franchise's on-ice success.

 

[periferal]

Had some extra time today and a bug up my rear, so I did some half arsed investigation work that more than proved my suspicion I've felt for awhile now that the Islanders have seriously neglected the talent pool in Europe for a long time now. Going back to the 2010 draft, to hammer this point home I'm going to post who we drafted that year, plus the next three Euros and their positions as well as the next three N.Americans and their draft positions....

2010:
We pick Nino 5th overall (technically a Euro, but was picked out of NA)

Next 3 Euros:
9th - M. Granlund
16th - V. Tarasenko
26th - E. Kuznetsov

Next 3 NA:
6th - B. Connelly
7th - J. Skinner
8th - A. Burmistrov (same as Nino)

-----------------------------------------------
2011:
We pick Strome 5th

Next 3 Euros:
6th - M. Zibanejad
10th - J. Brodin
16th J. Armia

Next 3 NA:
7th - M. Scheifele
8th - S. Couturier
9th - D. Hamilton

-------------------------------------------------
2012:
We pick G. Reinhart 4th

Next 3 Euros:
6th - H. Lindholm
11th - F. Forsberg
17th - T. Hertl

Next 3 NA:
5th - M. Reilly
7th - M. Dumba
8th - D. Pouliot

----------------------------------------------------

2013:
We pick R. Pulock 15th

Next 3 Euros:
16th - N. Zadorov
23rd - A. Burakovsky
27th - M.Dano

Next 3 NA:
17 - C. Lazar
18th - M. Mueller
19th - K. Rychel

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2014:
We pick M. dal Colle 5th

Next 3 Euros:
8th - W. Nylander
11th - K. Fiala
13th - J. Vrana

Next 3 NA:
6th - J. Virtanen
7th - H. Fleury
9th - N. Ehlers (Euro, but drafted out of NA)

-----------------------------------------------------------

2015-17 is far too early yet. Take all these players and list them in order of how good they are. Eight of the top 10 are going to be Euros, and at least one of those out of NA is actually European (Ehlers).

I. LOVE. THIS. POST.

So many great things here, but love that you took the time to do research and use facts to back up your theory that the Isles are mainly ignoring Europe when it comes to drafting.

However the biggest issue here is what I've been screaming about for years now...And that is garth snow failed the "rebuild" because he has failed at drafting in the top-10 where you need to get those impact players. Even ignoring all European prospects, snow still could've made excellent picks just drafting guys from North America, but he failed that too.

And the best one he picked (Nino) he traded away for a 4th liner.

It's a total fail across the board for snow as he is responsible for drafting and now you're seeing why the current Islanders team is painfully average as a result. Imagine if we had 3 more talents like the ones he missed above. It's literally the difference between team scratching for the playoffs and Cup Contender.