Is Andreas Johnsson our new JVR

[TeamBester]

I'm afraid to ask but who is the best lwer on the leafs then?

Marleau is a much better hockey player. Much, much, better.

 

[rent free]

Marleau is a much better hockey player. Much, much, better.

Yah I figured that was the answer.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Probably not. Need his offence to translate perfectly to the NHL. The good news is he'll help out more than JVR on the defensive side of the puck.

 

[Seras]

No idea. Haven't seen him in the NHL yet.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

So you can't even support your own statement. Awesome.

Since you can't figure out why I used a 5 years period, its to UNDERLINE how consistent JVR has been at scoring goals. Consistency is something teams covet BTW. See in hockey scoring goals tends to be a thing teams covet when determining how valuable a player is.

I'll play your game, you listed quite a few wingers that you say are superior, what was the criteria you used to come to this conclusion? Opinion? Metrics? Butt data?

what you said was "How many of them have scored at a around a 30 goal pace every year for the last 5 years?"
Gaudreau, to give one example, hasn't. Are you going to claim that JVR is better than Gaudreau? That's why what you said was stupid. Obviously goals matter, but they aren't all that matter.

I use a combination of scoring and defensive metrics in recent years (1-3 years at most depending on the player/situation) personally.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I don't think it's under appreciation. Do you want to overpay and use up crucial cap space for a player that's declining in front of or eyes when we have cheeper options that might even fit in better then JVR.

His contributions to this team currently are under appreciated.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I'm afraid to ask but who is the best lwer on the leafs then?

Hahaha oweeeee

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I have seen Johnson play twice and to me it seems like he could step in even now and replace what JVR brings (though not the netfront PP aspect), which is about 51 points per year (JVR's current pace) with about half of that being goals.

 

[KDOTO]

I thought he looked really good in pre-season. I knew that a lot of people were talking him up for a while, and I saw what they were talking about.

To me, he seemed like a playmaker very similar to Marner. Specializes in short and creative passes. I think that both Johnsson and Marner are great wingers for Matthews and Kadri. Pretty amazing that we got him in the 7th round. I see him as a top 6 playmaker who could rack up a ton of assists playing with Matthews or Kadri.

edit: but I don't think he's anything like JVR from what I saw of him in pre-season.

Johnsson can make play yes, but i think he is nothing like marner though, he is not a pass first guy like marner, he will make the passing play but he is more of a finisher. He not big like jvr but he is thick built and has a nose for the net and high traffic area, great shot, +skating and hustle. His tools are all above grade to me. Reminds me of Jeff Skinner/young cammy/even a Marchand type style wise/player wise(minus the rat play). I think he is a perfect fit for Willy if willy ever moves to C. With all that said i still won't say he or any prospect we have for that matter can just replace jvr production easily. Dousnt mean i wouldnt try it though.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

How many of them have scored at a around a 30 goal pace every year for the last 5 years?

JVR being a top goal scoring winger in the past has nothing to do with JVR being a top 20 left winger in the future.

 

[KDOTO]

Johnsson might very well be 1 of the bargain chips Lou Lam is willing to use to upgrade this team for the playoffs..

That seems more likely than thinking he is JVR replacement next year.

Long term sure but just for this playoffs I don't think so. To much time developing him. He is now at the perfect age just like how Detroit was doing it with late picks to come in produce 35-40 points and be part of the future. He is to valuable, we need to be able to keep rolling guys in every 3/4 years to keep our depth at a manageable salary. That's why I don't like the clendenning trades of the world. Run the 4th line as is and let goat sink or swim.

 

[KDOTO]

Leivo can play up and down the lineup as you noted. JVR can't even do that. If Leivo is very one dimensional (not exactly what I would call a guy who can play up and down the lineup effectively), what is JVR, a singularity? While Leivo isn't a penalty killer, protecting leads isn't all about the penalty kill either, its also about protecting the puck 5v5 which Leivo does effectively with a degree of strength that AJ can't match. That being said, I want to see both of them up next year as UFA exit replacements to see where they each will best fit as cheaper more versatile replacements for our resident PP tip in specialist.

I don't know about that, on the wall yeah leivo got it there. But there are other ways to protect the puck. Using speed, being a puck hound and just being able to enter the attack zone consistently to control possession, he beats Lievo in those part. Johnsson is also pretty strong on the puck. He is 3/4 inch shorter but has a thick/strong build so I wouldn't be surprised if he is stronger then Lievo. But yes if Lievo is around I'd like to see everything work itself fairly.

 

[Nithoniniel]

His offensive comparables at even strength consists of a bunch of players that have stepped into the NHL immediately afterwards and have been anything from useful depth (Colton Sissons) to impact players (Tyler Johnson). He's a very good even strength player.

However, when we speak about replacing JVR, we are mainly talking about replacing a rare net front presence on the PP. He's one of the best in the league from that position in terms of production with the man advantage. Replacing the part of his game that is an incredibly sheltered but effective depth scorer at even strength would be much easier. Both Leivo and Johnsson could do that.

 

[Bluelines]

JVR being a top goal scoring winger in the past has nothing to do with JVR being a top 20 left winger in the future.

Best indicator of future performance is past performance.

 

[Bluelines]

what you said was "How many of them have scored at a around a 30 goal pace every year for the last 5 years?"
Gaudreau, to give one example, hasn't. Are you going to claim that JVR is better than Gaudreau? That's why what you said was stupid. Obviously goals matter, but they aren't all that matter.

I use a combination of scoring and defensive metrics in recent years (1-3 years at most depending on the player/situation) personally.

OK lets use the last 3 years as a metric of how many of those players have scored at a 30 goal pace. Fair?

 

[iBlaze81]

which NHL player compares best to Johnsson ?

 

[Duke16]

Leivo probably gets in before Johnsson if JVR were to be dealt. Johnsson and Aaltonen probably have to wait until next season.

 

[possesthepuck]

1) Benn
2) Ovi
3) Marchand
4) Panarin
5) Gaudreau
6) Forsberg
7) Ehlers
8) Rakell
9) Huberdeau
10) Saad
11) Hall
12) Landeskog
13) Schwartz
14) Tkachuk
15) Hoffman
16) Pacioretty
17) Skinner
18) Marchessault
19) Teravainen
20) Kreider

are all better

don't worry, we will be perfectly fine without JVR

big drop off around here buddy.

Why are people complaining about old JVR, and then saying Marleau is better. JVR has been our second best forward this season. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

[possesthepuck]

I really can't take your post seriously .Did you just call JVR our second best forward? Also calling johnsson a midget is real mature. I'm sure you thought the same of Marner, the leafs real second best forward this year.

I said our second best forward this season. Obv Marner and Nylander will be better players one day. Are you kidding me!?!?

 

[Raging Bull]

I said our second best forward this season. Obv Marner and Nylander will be better players one day. Are you kidding me!?!?

Kadri, Marner, Nylander, Hyman have all been better than JVR this year.

 

[Tak7]

I have seen Johnson play twice and to me it seems like he could step in even now and replace what JVR brings (though not the netfront PP aspect), which is about 51 points per year (JVR's current pace) with about half of that being goals.

So, the answer is No.

No - he cannot step in and replace JvR.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Johnsson can replace Jvr, just don't expect the same type of players. He can play all situations and is better defensively with more jump in his game. He will make us better and more cap efficient. Its a no brainer to trade Jvr.

Here is a article that backs up the thinking he is ready by some posters.

Kind of long read here!

Proteau: Things looking up for Johnsson as Marlies star sets sights on earning job with Leafs – Toronto Marlies

 

[Gary Nylund]

I said our second best forward this season. Obv Marner and Nylander will be better players one day. Are you kidding me!?!?

Um, yeah I don't know about that there chief.

 

[Boutette]

So, the answer is No.

No - he cannot step in and replace JvR.

He certainly can't, not with his two-way play, expertise on the power-play, penalty kill, and willingness to both effectively shoot the puck as well as pass it. That will certainly not replace a one-dimensional powerplay tip in specialist at all.

 

[LeafsDreamer]

Post Trade Deadline - With Dermott getting about 19 minutes now, leafs top 5 D could get 19 to 23 minutes of 5 on 5 - Rielly, Hainsey, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and Dermott - without the need for a 6th D man. Perhaps Leafs should consider going with 5D and 13F and add Johnsson to the lineup without having to remove Komarov. A defence rotation of Rielly/Hainsey, Gardiner/Zaitsev, Dermott/Rielly(RD), Gardiner/Hainsey, and Dermott/Zaitsev would do it. Going with just 1 D on both PP and PK could limit overall D minutes and the 13th forward would be an asset on the PK also. Hyman, Brown, Kapanen, Johnsson are all very fast and together with Komarov and Plekanec would allow the Leafs PK to put constant pressure on the opponents' PP units. Overall, the D would likely be a bit better without Polak's 12 minutes and even the loss of a defenceman during a game would only add about 4 minutes or less to each of the 4 D remaining for that game. The extra forward would also be an asset, of course, and I'd like to see the very best players - Matthews, Nylander, and Marner receive some double duty occasionally on more than one line for 5 on 5 play. There'd be no weak spots in the line-up.

I'm afraid to ask but who is the best lwer on the leafs then?

I don't think it's under appreciation. Do you want to overpay and use up crucial cap space for a player that's declining in front of or eyes when we have cheeper options that might even fit in better then JVR.

Maybe JVR would like to stay where his production is enhanced and enjoy playing with a perennial contender. Perhaps he would take 6 years 25m overall with 8M up front in exchange for taking the discount. Perhaps with modified NTC options for the last two or three years. I think that would serve both the team's and JVR's interests.