Is Andreas Johnsson our new JVR

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

so you're telling me you wanna sign a pp specialist for 8 years?

no, but I do want to change our PP so he's not such a crucial part of it

 

[Marshy]

Seems too good for the A?

23 years old. 2nd in GF and 3rd in points? He could get hot and lead the league in both. Crazy.

 

[Boutette]

You have a good point. One thing to consider though, AJ kills penalties and plays PP. He's an all situation guy. Josh Leivo is a solid top 6 winger that can play up and down the lineup but he is very one dimensional. JVR is also very one dimensional as a W. If we were to replace him, I would much rather have another toolsy guy in there like AJ who will lighten the load from the other role players and it will also allow him to pick up some extra playing time regardless of where in the lineup he plays.

Leivo/ JVR are guys who will never see the ice if we are defending the lead. These past 10 games JVRs minutes have gone down drastically and it isn't all Babs trying to phase him out. Majority of it has to do with us protecting leads. I don't know how involved a guy can get in the game while sitting on the bench.

Leivo can play up and down the lineup as you noted. JVR can't even do that. If Leivo is very one dimensional (not exactly what I would call a guy who can play up and down the lineup effectively), what is JVR, a singularity? While Leivo isn't a penalty killer, protecting leads isn't all about the penalty kill either, its also about protecting the puck 5v5 which Leivo does effectively with a degree of strength that AJ can't match. That being said, I want to see both of them up next year as UFA exit replacements to see where they each will best fit as cheaper more versatile replacements for our resident PP tip in specialist.

 

[possesthepuck]

There is no doubt in my mind that JVR is here to stay. You just cant replace his goal scoring. Some short little midget in the minors isnt going to replace JVRs net front presence. I couldnt name 15 LWS in the game right now better than JVR, can you? He is an elite LW . Look at how consistent he is. Unlike Marner, or Nylander, or Kadri, who have been cold this season, JVR stays as old reliable. He is the second best forward on the team currently.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

There is no doubt in my mind that JVR is here to stay. You just cant replace his goal scoring. Some short little midget in the minors isnt going to replace JVRs net front presence. I couldnt name 15 LWS in the game right now better than JVR, can you? He is an elite LW . Look at how consistent he is. Unlike Marner, or Nylander, or Kadri, who have been cold this season, JVR stays as old reliable. He is the second best forward on the team currently.

1) Benn
2) Ovi
3) Marchand
4) Panarin
5) Gaudreau
6) Forsberg
7) Ehlers
8) Rakell
9) Huberdeau
10) Saad
11) Hall
12) Landeskog
13) Schwartz
14) Tkachuk
15) Hoffman
16) Pacioretty
17) Skinner
18) Marchessault
19) Teravainen
20) Kreider

are all better

don't worry, we will be perfectly fine without JVR

 

[Martin Skoula]

It's short sighted to only look at JVR and Bozak's direct replacements, you also have to consider how sheltered these guys are. If you could give the Kadri and Matthews lines some of those soft offensive starts, how much better would they look? 40 point wingers with strong defensive games are not necessarily a downgrade here if you look at the big picture.

 

[Clark4Ever]

The issue with replacing JVR's production is not that we don't have capable wingers, it's the type of offense that he provides. He can score from distance on occasion, but most of his goals come from just outside the crease in traffic. We don't really have anyone ready to step in that can provide that presence in front of the net.

 

[Bluelines]

1) Benn
2) Ovi
3) Marchand
4) Panarin
5) Gaudreau
6) Forsberg
7) Ehlers
8) Rakell
9) Huberdeau
10) Saad
11) Hall
12) Landeskog
13) Schwartz
14) Tkachuk
15) Hoffman
16) Pacioretty
17) Skinner
18) Marchessault
19) Teravainen
20) Kreider

are all better

don't worry, we will be perfectly fine without JVR

How many of them have scored at a around a 30 goal pace every year for the last 5 years?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

How many of them have scored at a around a 30 goal pace every year for the last 5 years?

If you have to create custom criteria to make jvr look better than he really is relative to his peers then so be it. Pretty pointless attempt though

 

[bionic]

There is no doubt in my mind that JVR is here to stay. You just cant replace his goal scoring. Some short little midget in the minors isnt going to replace JVRs net front presence. I couldnt name 15 LWS in the game right now better than JVR, can you? He is an elite LW . Look at how consistent he is. Unlike Marner, or Nylander, or Kadri, who have been cold this season, JVR stays as old reliable. He is the second best forward on the team currently.

I really can't take your post seriously .Did you just call JVR our second best forward? Also calling johnsson a midget is real mature. I'm sure you thought the same of Marner, the leafs real second best forward this year.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I really can't take your post seriously .Did you just call JVR our second best forward? Also calling johnsson a midget is real mature. I'm sure you thought the same of Marner, the leafs real second best forward this year.

Marner and Willy are tied for 2nd imo. Otherwise I agree completely

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Johnsson could not only replace Jvr but add a complimentary aspect to the kind of two way play aspect Babcock and fans want. He is a goal one game and assist the next game, point per game player in the best prospect development league in North American. This guy is a better option for the team than Jvr.

Trade Jvr and promote and give Johnsson a cheaper long term deal than we would ever get from Jvr plus obtain the rewards of moving a asset.

Jvr should definitely be moved now at this deadline.

 

[Bluelines]

If you have to create custom criteria to make jvr look better than he really is relative to his peers then so be it. Pretty pointless attempt though

Goal scoring measurement as a metric for a goal scoring winger is "custom" criteria, now I've heard of just about everything.

So humor me, can you answer my completely absurd baseless original question?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Goal scoring measurement as a metric for a goal scoring winger is "custom" criteria, now I've heard of just about everything.

So humor me, can you answer my completely absurd baseless original question?

No, but saying it has to be over the last 5 years and that all those wingers must be pure goal scorers to needlessly disqualify superior wingers is stupid and transparent. I hope you know that it is impossible to take someone as disingenuous as you seriously and I have no interest in humoring you

 

[rent free]

How many of them have scored at a around a 30 goal pace every year for the last 5 years?

how many of them just stand in front of the net and wait for pucks to get to them and do nothing else?

 

[Judas Tavares]

JVR does one thing well. And he does it very, very well. And we have no replacement for him contrary to what others may say.

But does the one thing he does very, very well outweigh:
-The things he doesn't do well, which hockeydb doesn't show
-Age
-Cap situation going forward

IMO, no.

 

[Bluelines]

No, but saying it has to be over the last 5 years and that all those wingers must be pure goal scorers to needlessly disqualify superior wingers is stupid and transparent. I hope you know that it is impossible to take someone as disingenuous as you seriously and I have no interest in humoring you

So you can't even support your own statement. Awesome.

Since you can't figure out why I used a 5 years period, its to UNDERLINE how consistent JVR has been at scoring goals. Consistency is something teams covet BTW. See in hockey scoring goals tends to be a thing teams covet when determining how valuable a player is.

I'll play your game, you listed quite a few wingers that you say are superior, what was the criteria you used to come to this conclusion? Opinion? Metrics? Butt data?

 

[TeamBester]

JVR isn't even the best left winger on the Leafs.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Johnsson might very well be 1 of the bargain chips Lou Lam is willing to use to upgrade this team for the playoffs..

That seems more likely than thinking he is JVR replacement next year.

There is zero chance that the Leafs trade Johansson without first giving him a shot at earning a roster spot. The kid has earned his reps with this organization and he will get his chance soon.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

The under-appreciation of JVR is astounding on this board.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I'm not sure what you want from Leaf fans exactly. JVR's overall play has declined and he isn't doing the bulk of the scoring anymore. He has said, "No hometown discount" and is headed for gravy days. Meanwhile we have guys like Johnsson and Leivo can't even get playing time. The Leafs have had no known talks with JVR on re signing and have 50 contracts. I'd say the writing is all over the wall and JVR knows it.

 

[Knies iT]

Will be 29 asking for 8 years, has lost foot speed post-surgery, atrocious defensively, but can downright produce at a 30 goal rate (w/ 50-60 points). Aside from his production, he is a poor possession player who goes invisible only to score a goal off his rear. Nobody is saying he is a bad player, in fact he's the team's undisputed best LWer, but the indicators suggest he could be a cap anchor moving forward.

In a perfect scenario you keep him, but this is the cap world and you can't fall in love with aging complimentary players. Last summer was the final chance to move him for assets, because you're not trading a player of his calibre mid-season in a rental year. The best teams move on from these guys all the time: e.g. Ladd, Sharp, Backes, Lucic, etc. etc. This is especially so when you have ridiculous NHL ready depth on the wings (Korshkov, Johnsson, Grundstrom, Kapanen, Leivo, etc.).

If I had it my way, JVR was gone right after Marleau was signed.

 

[bionic]

The under-appreciation of JVR is astounding on this board.

I don't think it's under appreciation. Do you want to overpay and use up crucial cap space for a player that's declining in front of or eyes when we have cheeper options that might even fit in better then JVR.

 

[Jeypic]

Johnston is a komarov replacement. Leivo is a jvr replacement. The points should even out.

 

[rent free]

JVR isn't even the best left winger on the Leafs.

I'm afraid to ask but who is the best lwer on the leafs then?