Is Andreas Johnsson our new JVR

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Quick Shifts: Maple Leafs may already have their next JVR - Sportsnet.ca .

I haven't seen him play much. Heard pretty good things .I think this is what leaf management envisioned. Having a prospect pool that can fill holes left by departing players

It used to be Leivo who was supposed to 'fill these holes' (lol), then Kap, and now it's Johnsson. It would be nice if some of this actually happened, but it never does.

I'll probably get flamed for saying it, but the leafs will most likely sign a UFA to replace JVR. The other likely thing is that they sign JVR.

The NHL is not always a smooth running escalator.
 
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He certainly can't, not with his two-way play, expertise on the power-play, penalty kill, and willingness to both effectively shoot the puck as well as pass it. That will certainly not replace a one-dimensional powerplay tip in specialist at all.

The thing with a team is that you can have different players with different skills that work together. I value the way JVR can boost the powerplay and especially be an asset in close to the net. You'll miss that positional asset and the 30 goals that go with it when you don't have it. And, it's worth adding players around him to complement what he offers and protect from his liabilities. A team with 12 forwards who are 15 goal, 30 point 200-foot specialists may be Babcock's dream but the time will come when you need goal scoring and you discover you can't win without it. That JVR tip-in or roof-job from the blue paint will look pretty good when it's the difference in the game. I think JVR may yet decide that his role in Toronto will extend his career more than getting more money elsewhere. On this team, I think he could see his annual numbers even rise a bit over the next few years if he continues to be used in this role.
 

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The thing with a team is that you can have different players with different skills that work together. I value the way JVR can boost the powerplay and especially be an asset in close to the net. You'll miss that positional asset and the 30 goals that go with it when you don't have it. And, it's worth adding players around him to complement what he offers and protect from his liabilities. A team with 12 forwards who are 15 goal, 30 point 200-foot specialists may be Babcock's dream but the time will come when you need goal scoring and you discover you can't win without it. That JVR tip-in or roof-job from the blue paint will look pretty good when it's the difference in the game. I think JVR may yet decide that his role in Toronto will extend his career more than getting more money elsewhere. On this team, I think he could see his annual numbers even rise a bit over the next few years if he continues to be used in this role.

Leafs have more tip attempts and more goals scored from tips than any other team in the league. Ask any goalie if they would prefer to see a shooter clean with no tip or have the puck tipped in front of him and I can guarantee you 100 out of 100 goalies will say they would rather see the shooter clean with no tip attempt.

JVR's skillset is greatly under appreciated and as you say his one way game with elite tip abilities will look pretty good when we are flush with average shooters from 30 ft away.

Grass is greener I guess, we dump a 13 min a night, 30 goal guy, team player, who plays only in specific situations and suddenly we are an 82-0 team? Awesome. If JVR leaves next year , is there any point in having a season, I mean that should pretty much lock up our first cup since '67 right?

I'm only on the move on from JVR boat because he will take cap space away from younger players and that unnamed savior(s) on D that are going to be due for a pay bump, if we had no cap limitations I would be on the keep JVR boat.
 
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If Johnsson can put up 40ish points, superior defensive play all for the fraction of a cost of a 50-60 point JVR is the much the far superior choice to be a depth/complimentary winger (which is what JVR is at this point)
 
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It used to be Leivo who was supposed to 'fill these holes' (lol), then Kap, and now it's Johnsson. It would be nice if some of this actually happened, but it never does.

It's a shame the Leafs don't have a nice cushion in the standings where they could possibly experiment with 1 or 2 of these guys to see if they can replace JvR.
 

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It's a shame the Leafs don't have a nice cushion in the standings where they could possibly experiment with 1 or 2 of these guys to see if they can replace JvR.

It's a good idea and well intended. The problem is that guys like JVR, Uncle Leo, Boz, Polak are all playing for next year's contract. Demoting, etc. is only going to cause friction.
 

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It's a good idea and well intended. The problem is that guys like JVR, Uncle Leo, Boz, Polak are all playing for next year's contract. Demoting, etc. is only going to cause friction.
theres no roster spot limit anymore so we can promote guys without breaking any rules. i'd sit jvr and komarov a couple games in favour of leivo and johnsson
 

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It's a good idea and well intended. The problem is that guys like JVR, Uncle Leo, Boz, Polak are all playing for next year's contract. Demoting, etc. is only going to cause friction.

Giving Leivo the odd shift in JvR's place, especially on his powerplay spot, wouldn't cause issues
 

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theres no roster spot limit anymore so we can promote guys without breaking any rules. i'd sit jvr and komarov a couple games in favour of leivo and johnsson

Too late now.

You can maybe pull something like that in the final week of the season when the playoffs are locked, for example.

But you can't do it now.
 

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Too late now.

You can maybe pull something like that in the final week of the season when the playoffs are locked, for example.

But you can't do it now.
we're gonna finish 3rd in the division anyways. rest up our guys while we still can and give our other guys an opportunity to get some game in
 

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Johnsson is not our new JVR. We do not have a JVR in the system. We have a Leivo and Johnsson to replace likely...

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Komarov

Leivo is the slower, thicker JVR type that get in front of the net.

Johnsson will have to replace Konarov
 

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It's a shame the Leafs don't have a nice cushion in the standings where they could possibly experiment with 1 or 2 of these guys to see if they can replace JvR.

You can only make so many moves/recalls per season, to eat that up for an experiment probably wouldn't be the best use of recalls. Remember Calgary a few years back when they had to ice less than a full line up because they had used up all their recalls?
 

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Johnsson is not our new JVR. We do not have a JVR in the system. We have a Leivo and Johnsson to replace likely...

Jvr
Komarov

Leivo is the slower, thicker JVR type that get in front of the net.

Johnsson will have to replace Konarov

Who is that Swede that we have that is a real agitator? I've read he is a lot like Komarov, agitating as heck but has a bit of an offence to his game.
 

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The Leafs are now going to sit JVR? Lol

I hope they resign JVR. Thinking a prospect can replace his 30 goals is ridiculous.

I mean, Yanni's Gourde's age 25 AHL season and Andreas Johnsson's age 23 AHL are very similar. They're also very similar players. Its not inconceivable to believe Johnsson could have a similar impact if given similar minutes in 18/19.
 

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Who is that Swede that we have that is a real agitator? I've read he is a lot like Komarov, agitating as heck but has a bit of an offence to his game.

Grundy, think he is a little off yet? Who knows, maybe the case. I don't even know if Johnsson will get a sniff outside of the pre season. For all I know we are doing the UFA again and getting another Marleau type on short term so we can "win now".
 

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I mean, Yanni's Gourde's age 25 AHL season and Andreas Johnsson's age 23 AHL are very similar. They're also very similar players. Its not inconceivable to believe Johnsson could have a similar impact if given similar minutes in 18/19.
Not to mention replacing a player doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 thing. If kapanen and Johnsson both have strong years between the two of them and our big 3 pick up some slack it could easily cover for his absence
 

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Leafs have more tip attempts and more goals scored from tips than any other team in the league. Ask any goalie if they would prefer to see a shooter clean with no tip or have the puck tipped in front of him and I can guarantee you 100 out of 100 goalies will say they would rather see the shooter clean with no tip attempt.

However, that tip-in heavy offense which strongly influences our very static PP, which is being countered fairly successfully and has not been so effective of late. Say what you will about goalies, when our offense is rated tops in the league and our power play and general play without the puck is middle of the pack that's an issue moving forwards. And, by coincidence, JVR figures heavily in our powerplay and he's a minus player on a team that has very few players on the wrong side of that stat, year in year out. Coincidence again? We once had a power play specialist by the name of Jason Allison. He picked up more than 60 points in the year he played with us. I wonder if we resigned him?
 
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The Leafs are now going to sit JVR? Lol

I hope they resign JVR. Thinking a prospect can replace his 30 goals is ridiculous.

Kapanen and/or Johnsson are certainly capable of coming into the line up and putting up 20 goals next season with the talent around them.

And if you get better defense out of them that's a net gain.

Additionally 8 of his goals are on the PP. Revising the PP units and set up certainly allows the team to off-set his role on the PP, where he is the best, and maintain the PP's effectiveness.

JVR is averaging 12:22 avg TOI at even strength per game - 9th amongst forwards - while averaging the most about of PP time. He's also being started in the offensive zone 63% of the time. He is heavily sheltered because he is subpar defensively. You don't re-sign players for 7-8 years and $6 AAV to that amount. Especially when he is losing speed already, and once he loses one more step in 2-3 years, he will be even more of a defensive liability and only a PP specialist.
 
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You can only make so many moves/recalls per season, to eat that up for an experiment probably wouldn't be the best use of recalls. Remember Calgary a few years back when they had to ice less than a full line up because they had used up all their recalls?

Leivo has been up with the team the entire year.
 

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No, Johnson is not the next JVR. But because of the cap situation and the doubtful value in paying JVR a big money/ long term contract. Johnson will likely be a LWer with the Leafs next year, maybe even on on the "third" line like JVR.
 

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Johnsson is not our new JVR. We do not have a JVR in the system. We have a Leivo and Johnsson to replace likely...

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Komarov

Leivo is the slower, thicker JVR type that get in front of the net.

Johnsson will have to replace Konarov

grundstrom is the komorov replacement and korshov is a possible jvr replacement, but in terms of points and skill, kapanen is his positional replacement. leivo plays most like jvr, so i guess you could say he's his replacement, but damn, why couldn't he figure out his skating needs a lot more work? leivo might be in if he could skate like marner.
 

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Grundy, think he is a little off yet? Who knows, maybe the case. I don't even know if Johnsson will get a sniff outside of the pre season. For all I know we are doing the UFA again and getting another Marleau type on short term so we can "win now".

Yep that's the guy.
 

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