How are the Oilers this bad with mcdavid?

[Devils090]

How long before McDavid starts to absorb that patented Oilers culture of losing?

Maybe he’ll turn into a “locker room cancer” like Hall and they can trade him to us

 

[McShogun99]

HfBoards could run a poll on moves to make and who to draft and it would turn out better than half of the organizations in the league could do and I genuinely believe that.

If this happened I can guarantee that none of the Hall, Eberle or Reinhart trades would happen. It would probably be like 99% against all those trades.

 

[snag]

Maybe he’ll turn into a “locker room cancer” like Hall and they can trade him to us

I don't recall anyone ever saying that about Hallsy...

 

[winnipegger]

The last time they had a clear cut #1 Defenceman was Pronger and that was 12 years ago. It would be fitting at least that the #1 overall is a defenceman. It's not even a question of if; you know he's putting on an Oilers jersey next June.

 

[lawrence]

this is not basketball, a superstar player will not automatically make a bad team good or above average.

looking back now, last year might have been a over achievement type of season.

as a bucks fan, I am worried as hell going into a lottery draft with where the Oilers right now. damn why can't they make the playoffs????!!!!!

 

[613Leafer]

Obviously a single superstar won't make an NHL team a consistent playoff team, but with all the high draft picks the Oilers have had, it's just shocking that they still don't have a competitive core, still have terrible depth, etc.

I don't know what they should do, because they still need multiple pretty hard pieces to get. #1D, legit top line winger, and another 1-2 top 6-9 wingers. There aren't too many obvious pieces on the roster they can sell for good value to try to turn that around. Internally, they'll have a high pick this year, Puljujarvi, and a couple other guys that might become something. Regardless, it looks like they're a few years away from contending, and that's only if a few things go well and line up properly.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Tanking for most of the decade doesn’t really lead to a good team culture

 

[ottawa]

They Made McDavid the captain too early, generational player, shitty leader.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Look at the forward and dmen lines.. its horrendous... that's why they are this bad unfortunately. Seems like the game plan is to give the puck to McDavid and then watch

not to mention Talbot has fallen back to earth from the weird unreal season he had last year

I know this is a broken record, but Chia has a ton of work to do with this team... its god awful

 

[varano]

I watched the arizona game last night. Mcdavid had zero presence.

You need a generational player and captain to step up and get stuff done

 

[ES]

Starting to think that the Oilers will never be good until they start getting some production out of 2nd+ round picks. That's pretty much the only constant over the last 10'ish years.

Quite an important thing.
Hawks have had Keith and Hjalmarsson in all three Cup teams, then guys like Crawford, Byfuglien, Bickell, Bolland and Krüger being important pieces for at least one Cup winning team.

Pens had Letang, Talbot, Scuderi, Rust, Murray and Guentzel doing important things while superstars doing the things expected.

 

[HarryLime]

it's fine. they'll win another lottery.

 

[LeafFever]

They hired Chia.

 

[Smartguy]

Quite an important thing.
Hawks have had Keith and Hjalmarsson in all three Cup teams, then guys like Crawford, Byfuglien, Bickell, Bolland and Krüger being important pieces for at least one Cup winning team.

Pens had Letang, Talbot, Scuderi, Rust, Murray and Guentzel doing important things while superstars doing the things expected.

Bingo, the Oilers franchise is awful at drafting a developing over close to the last 2 decades. They’ve definitely improved the last 5 or so years, we have guys like bear, Jones, Yammamoto, and pitlick at least plays isn’t he nhl.

That and I don’t remember the last time they had a quality top 2 defenseman, Larsson and Klefbom looked like a top pair last year, this year they look like they can barely play in the NHL.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

We have a GM who has done the following, *denotes franchise crippling move/instantly fireable offense:
*hiring Todd McLellan, who comes bundled with the worst special teams coach in NHL history, Jay Woodcroft
-failing to acquire a proper backup for nearly 3 years
-failling to acquire a power play quarterback for nearly 3 years and still counting
*Mat Barzal+33 for Griffin Reinhart, one of the league's best young players for a dude who sucks in the AHL
-4th round pick for Eric Gryba, single handedly ensuring that the Oilers had the worst bottom pairing in the NHL
-signing Mark Letestu, which would've been fine, then using him sparingly on the PK but playing him on the 1st PP unit for 2 years?
-Justin Schultz for 3rd round pick, one of the league's best PP quarterbacks, and now having the league's worst PP
-Taylor Hall offered for Cody Ceci, saved only by Ottawa's GM being almost as incompetent
*Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson, one of the league's best players for an above average dman
-Tyler Benson over Alex Debrincat in the draft, despite literally every single pundit having Debrincat going to the Oilers due to the McDavid connection
-Milan Lucic 7x6, a decent 2nd liner being paid like a first line
-Jonas Monster signed at all, despite everyone knowing he sucks the big one
*Kris Russell 4x4, one of the worst players in the NHL defensively on traditional stats (consistently leading NHL in blocks without overloaded pk time usually=terrible at defense), advanced stats, and the eye test, all while given an NMC
-Eric Gryba resigned for 1 year, despite being one of the worst players in the NHL defensively AND offensively
-Brandon Davidson for David Desharnais, despite Desharnais being terrible at every aspect of hockey and not having a proper fill-in when Sekera went down in the playoffs
*Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome, one of the league's best second liners for one of the league's worst third liners
-Benoit Pouliot bought out, despite the Oilers having 8 million in cap space and being the teams best PKing winger, now the Oilers are on the hook for FOUR years instead of just eating his cap hit for 2 years
-McDavid was given 13.125 million as an initial offer, McDavid actually had to go up to this moron and negotiate with him to lower the contract terms
-Leon Draisaitl 8x8.5 despite every single other team signed their ~ppg player coming off an elc to 6-7
-Eric Gryba resigned 2 years 1 way, despite absolutely no other team probably giving him even a non-PTO offer, let alone a 1 year 1 way contract, yet somehow he gets 2 years?
-Jussi Jokinen signed 1 year, then traded for the equally worthless Mike Cammalleri
-failed to resign Tyler Pitlick, one of the league's better PKers, and now having the league's worst PK
-failed to resign Jordan Oesterle, now on Chicago's top pairing

And get this. the Oilers had to give the Bruins a 2nd round pick just to hire the worst negotiating GM in the NHL. The guy literally actively costs the Oilers assets just by existing. If anything, the Bruins should've given the Oilers a 2nd round pick for extracting this tumor out of their organization. He is by far the worst GM in Oilers history, on a franchise that employed Steve Tambellini and Craig MacTavish.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

I don't recall anyone ever saying that about Hallsy...

You might want to go read the Oilers subforum then. Plenty of users calling him that. One of them actually said that trading Hall was the reason the Oilers made the playoffs last year not even because we got Larsson but because Hall was addition by subtraction.

 

[joe dirte]

I rhink it's sad. it's a real possibility that what could have gone down as a great career in mcdavid may end up being nothing more than a sidenote because of such an inept Franchise.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Obviously a single superstar won't make an NHL team a consistent playoff team, but with all the high draft picks the Oilers have had, it's just shocking that they still don't have a competitive core, still have terrible depth, etc.

I don't know what they should do, because they still need multiple pretty hard pieces to get. #1D, legit top line winger, and another 1-2 top 6-9 wingers. There aren't too many obvious pieces on the roster they can sell for good value to try to turn that around. Internally, they'll have a high pick this year, Puljujarvi, and a couple other guys that might become something. Regardless, it looks like they're a few years away from contending, and that's only if a few things go well and line up properly.

We literally had all those pieces except the number 1 dman. Chiarelli traded them for the likes of Adam Larsson and Ryan "I can't shoot, pass, skate, hit, stickhandle, catch passes, win puck battles, win faceoffs, zone entries, zone exits, PP, PK, or even think at an NHL level" Strome.

 

[New User Name]

I don't think any NHL teams GM makes solo decisions on trades without the input of others in the organization. Assistant GM's, scouts, coaches, and even in some cases ownership would be consulted.

This just proves how incompetent the entire Oilers organization is.

And why would you hire Gretzky? The f***ing guy had the chance to finish his career with the team he won cups with, but he didn't. He doesn't even live in Edmonton, or Canada for f***s sake.

I feel sorry for Edmonton fans. They've had to put up with incompetence for far too long.

 

[snipes]

Goaltending, special teams, lack of depth.

McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nurse have been really good. Everyone else has been awful.

We’ve allowed a goal on the first shot on goal in roughly 20% of our games. That’s just ridiculous.

 

[Discordia]

I doubt Chia works in the NHL again after this. A look at his transactions since signing with the Oilers is horrible.

And the reason they suck is him. The GM of that team is completely and utterly incompetent.

 

[Field of Dreams]

I watched the arizona game last night. Mcdavid had zero presence.

You need a generational player and captain to step up and get stuff done

Thanks for the report... you couldn't pay me to watch that game lol

 

[Judas Tavares]

I haven't read through the thread, maybe this has been mentioned, maybe not.

One thing, while not the biggest thing in the picture, but still important. Well whenever you pick in the top 10, it is accompanied by a pick from 31-40. Now 2nd rounders aren't the be all end all, and yes, for the most part, they will either miss or just not be that impactful.

But starting from 2010.
2010: 31 Pitlick
2011: 31 Musil
2012: 32 Moroz
2013: Dealt
2014: Dealt
2015: Dealt in the Reinhart deal...
2016: 32 Benson, way too early to judge

They needed to hit on at least 2 of these picks here. I think 2/7 is more than reasonable. Even 2 good players and 1 4th liner/#6 defenceman would be sufficient.

Maybe not the biggest reason, maybe not even a top 5 reason, but reason enough.

 

[canuck2010]

I watched the arizona game last night. Mcdavid had zero presence.

You need a generational player and captain to step up and get stuff done

Maybe he isn't as good as we thought lol.

 

[Stand Witness]

We have a GM who has done the following, *denotes franchise crippling move/instantly fireable offense:
*hiring Todd McLellan, who comes bundled with the worst special teams coach in NHL history, Jay Woodcroft
-failing to acquire a proper backup for nearly 3 years
-failling to acquire a power play quarterback for nearly 3 years and still counting
*Mat Barzal+33 for Griffin Reinhart, one of the league's best young players for a dude who sucks in the AHL
-4th round pick for Eric Gryba, single handedly ensuring that the Oilers had the worst bottom pairing in the NHL
-signing Mark Letestu, which would've been fine, then using him sparingly on the PK but playing him on the 1st PP unit for 2 years?
-Justin Schultz for 3rd round pick, one of the league's best PP quarterbacks, and now having the league's worst PP
-Taylor Hall offered for Cody Ceci, saved only by Ottawa's GM being almost as incompetent
*Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson, one of the league's best players for an above average dman
-Tyler Benson over Alex Debrincat in the draft, despite literally every single pundit having Debrincat going to the Oilers due to the McDavid connection
-Milan Lucic 7x6, a decent 2nd liner being paid like a first line
-Jonas Monster signed at all, despite everyone knowing he sucks the big one
*Kris Russell 4x4, one of the worst players in the NHL defensively on traditional stats (consistently leading NHL in blocks without overloaded pk time usually=terrible at defense), advanced stats, and the eye test, all while given an NMC
-Eric Gryba resigned for 1 year, despite being one of the worst players in the NHL defensively AND offensively
-Brandon Davidson for David Desharnais, despite Desharnais being terrible at every aspect of hockey and not having a proper fill-in when Sekera went down in the playoffs
*Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome, one of the league's best second liners for one of the league's worst third liners
-Benoit Pouliot bought out, despite the Oilers having 8 million in cap space and being the teams best PKing winger, now the Oilers are on the hook for FOUR years instead of just eating his cap hit for 2 years
-McDavid was given 13.125 million as an initial offer, McDavid actually had to go up to this moron and negotiate with him to lower the contract terms
-Leon Draisaitl 8x8.5 despite every single other team signed their ~ppg player coming off an elc to 6-7
-Eric Gryba resigned 2 years 1 way, despite absolutely no other team probably giving him even a non-PTO offer, let alone a 1 year 1 way contract, yet somehow he gets 2 years?
-Jussi Jokinen signed 1 year, then traded for the equally worthless Mike Cammalleri
-failed to resign Tyler Pitlick, one of the league's better PKers, and now having the league's worst PK
-failed to resign Jordan Oesterle, now on Chicago's top pairing

And get this. the Oilers had to give the Bruins a 2nd round pick just to hire the worst negotiating GM in the NHL. The guy literally actively costs the Oilers assets just by existing. If anything, the Bruins should've given the Oilers a 2nd round pick for extracting this tumor out of their organization. He is by far the worst GM in Oilers history, on a franchise that employed Steve Tambellini and Craig MacTavish.

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