How are the Oilers this bad with mcdavid?

[Baxterman]

It is just McDavid they have McDavid and Draisaitl. That's two centers that should make it easy to build two solid scoring lines.

But the answer is very easy drafting and developing. They have been awful at it.

Someone on TSN (I think Poulin, but he usually doesn't make good points so could be someone else) said everyone focus' on the the #1 picks but what is even worse is that every year they had the #1 pick they also had the 31st pick and 1st pick in the 3rd round.

Now while those aren't gimmes you still have a lot of talent around at those spots. The fact the Oilers have got so little out of their picks past the 1st overalls is insane and terrible.

I don't know if it is coming from the top down because it has been two regimes in a row, but there doesn't seem to be a team that overrates its own guys more than them. They have multiple times thought they were ready to compete and not been close enough at all.

While people would say that nobody thought they would be this bad this year there were certainly a lot of signs that they would be a team that was in a battle for the play-offs. They have clear and very real problems with the roster and multiple holes to fill.

 

[canuck2010]

30 goal potential?? Come on

He had 27 in a miracel year last year, will be 30 at the end of this year and has had seasons of:

11, 12, and now 14 goals in the seasons outside of that one year.

He does not have 30 goal potential unless you are talking about the anything is possible kind of 30 goal potential that brings 75% of the league into play.

Without his size he would still be playing road hockey in LA>

 

[Coffey]

It is just McDavid they have McDavid and Draisaitl. That's two centers that should make it easy to build two solid scoring lines.

But the answer is very easy drafting and developing. They have been awful at it.

Someone on TSN (I think Poulin, but he usually doesn't make good points so could be someone else) said everyone focus' on the the #1 picks but what is even worse is that every year they had the #1 pick they also had the 31st pick and 1st pick in the 3rd round.

Now while those aren't gimmes you still have a lot of talent around at those spots. The fact the Oilers have got so little out of their picks past the 1st overalls is insane and terrible.

I don't know if it is coming from the top down because it has been two regimes in a row, but there doesn't seem to be a team that overrates its own guys more than them. They have multiple times thought they were ready to compete and not been close enough at all.

While people would say that nobody thought they would be this bad this year there were certainly a lot of signs that they would be a team that was in a battle for the play-offs. They have clear and very real problems with the roster and multiple holes to fill.

Trading away Hall and Eberle without plugging up holes on the wings is a big issue.

 

[Coach]

McDavid can take the blame as soon as the nature of the sport changes and 1 player can be the lone difference between a bad team and a great team. He's arguably the best player in the world and is the last person who deserves blame

Funny I thought it was a team sport where everyone shares in the credit when the team is doing well as well as shares in the blame when the team is doing poorly. Especially as team captain and acting in a leadership role. Not saying he should take all blame but believe as a team player and captain should share in the blame.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Up front their wingers position is terrible. They could really use Hall.

Should be look to dealing Maroon, Strome, and Cammalleri for picks.

Would be difficult dealing Lucic given that contract.

Deal Nuge for the right package otherwise keep him.

Build around McDavid, Draisaitl, and Puljujarvi. Maybe Nuge.

Klefbom has been overrated in the off season by such a huge margin by people on here.

Larsson should be on the second pairing spot. Sekera is good but hes had an injure plagued season. Russell is a waste of capspace.

For the top pairing, they need someone good enough to play with Nurse.

Talbot sucked this season. Im going to say its just an offyear for him and he will rebound next season.

 

[KCC]

Chia ruined the team's depth and identity
goaltending has been brutal
Special teams have been even worse

Yup. Pretty much this. Plus they also have zero work ethic. When you have given up a goal on the first shot like 10 times And trailed in 35 games after the first, combined that with all you said and it’s over.

 

[Beukeboom]

Maroon doesn’t have 30 goal potential on any team, except Edmonton, playing next to mcdavid. Very sad to see the oilers in full tank mode again. It is one thing they are good at though

Well fair enough then but I'd say he has 20 goals per season in him and this year he hasn't played with McDavid as much. 29 points in 55 games is fine for a secondary scoring guy with a physical presense. The problem is not him nor Kassian. So the "too tough no speed" analysis doesn't hold up imo.

The problem is in their abysmal D core and goalie. If Russell is your quarterback then it is what it is.

Edit: Also a guy like Hall or Eberle would have been good for secondary skilled scoring.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

its all a rouse they want Dahlin is all

 

[BlueBaron]

Well fair enough then but I'd say he has 20 goals per season in him and this year he hasn't played with McDavid as much. 29 points in 55 games is fine for a secondary scoring guy with a physical presense. The problem is not him nor Kassian. So the "too tough no speed" analysis doesn't hold up imo.

The problem is in their abysmal D core and goalie. If Russell is your quarterback then it is what it is.

Edit: Also a guy like Hall or Eberle would have been good for secondary skilled scoring.

20 goals if he plays with an Elite #1 C maybe, but no one is going to play him like that. The guy is a 3rd liner, you need to come to terms with that.

 

[guzzy]

30 goal potential?? Come on

He had 27 in a miracel year last year, will be 30 at the end of this year and has had seasons of:

11, 12, and now 14 goals in the seasons outside of that one year.

He does not have 30 goal potential unless you are talking about the anything is possible kind of 30 goal potential that brings 75% of the league into play.

I also said without mcdavid. Read before you comment. No where else is he first line running protection

 

[Baxterman]

I also said without mcdavid. Read before you comment. No where else is he first line running protection

What?

 

[72hockey guy]

its on the players, not the gm. and yes Mcdavid and Draisaitl are definitely responsible as much as anyone else. lets not forget this team had 100+ points last year and they scapgoated eberle for the playoff loss. it comes down to lack of leadership and not taking responsibility, their was nothing wrong with talbot last year either.

they focus on individual stats, instead of sacrificing for the team. I for one even with the bad start thought they could turn things around and would make the playoffs, but no one has stood up and said enough is enough or showed any leadership, theyve grabbed hold of every single excuse available.

this lands right at McDavid and Draisaitls doorstep. you wanted the big bucks, so you asked for it..... take ownership and take the lead

not on the coach, not on the GM, 100% on the players and until they step up nothing will change. Eberle was last years scapegoat. who will the blame this year?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

No depth, bad goaltending, PDO nightmare, down year for pretty much everyone not named McDavid/Draisaitl/Nurse/RNH.

We banked on young bottom sixers stepping up. They didn’t. We also had clear gaping holes that needed filling. They weren’t.

 

[Menzinger]

They have a GM who actively seeks to make their team worse and worse.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Hawks are deliberately tanking.

Oilers are like "hold my beer"

 

[OccasionalPoster]

Poor corporate culture. The conversation isn't about what's occurring on the ice, it's what's occurring in the office.
The Oilers organization is showing a pattern of poor hiring practices. Like any organization, if your incoming talent (execs, front office) is subpar, your product will reflect this.
Ultimately, hiring practices trickle down the pyramid and begin with Katz.

Of course, this is all with corporate success defined as on-ice success, which could be a big assumption. I haven't looked at the books and seen the drivers of their revenue streams, for which on-ice success may not play as large of a role as we believe.

 

[The Panther]

They're just having a bad year. They'll be fine next season.

 

[Sam Spade]

Now while those aren't gimmes you still have a lot of talent around at those spots. The fact the Oilers have got so little out of their picks past the 1st overalls is insane and terrible.

The fact is they got basically nothing out of three of the four number one picks. Connor McDavid and Adam Larsson, that is the sum of four first overalls. Yak sucked, RNH is meh, Hall was great but his ego was never going to be tolerated if it was to be McDavid's team, so bye bye Taylor.

If you are going to tank at least pick the right players like the Pens did.

 

[McBaevid]

Terrible coaching, Worst GM in the NHL, worst scouting in the NHL, a history of nepotism = Shit Franchise

 

[A1LeafNation]

McDavid not so generational this season.

 

[Kybb79]

Talbot was the Oilers MVP last season. He was the main reason they fluked out last season.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Indeed one superstar doesn't make a team.

But this is just embarrassing on Chiarelli's part. Wasting a generational player's ELC years to such an extent is inexcusable.

 

[Vegan Knight]

I understand McDavid is doing his part to make this team at least a playoff bubble team stat wise but I also understand those saying he shares blame for the current position too.

If you don't want that type of pressure on him, then don't give him the C at 19. That's what wearing that letter means, you can't just give it to him while at the same time attempting to isolate him from the burdens of it.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Full on willing to bet that won’t happen cause the lottery is conducted by a reputable firm

Arthur Andersen was a reputable firm at one time too.

 

[TLEH]

Bad organizations make bad moves.

Traded Hall for Larsson.

Passed on a perfect fit with McDavid in DeBrincat for literally no reason.

Lucic contract.

1st round pick for a terrible defenseman that can't skate. (especially in todays NHL, wtf was that move)

Just the old boys club at it again. These guys are clueless about how to run an organization.