Sens of Anarchy
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HF praises Chayka and sucks... Hate McPhee but he's killing it
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McPhee got the better coach.
I remain adamant that he did rather poorly in the expansion draft.
It has worked out but not because of what he did terms of the roster but rather because of his other personnel decisions.
Chayka is laughable so far but they might be looking at full (re)build so a bit early to say if that is the case.
Tim Murray is another great example of how most posters are entirely clueless.
I remain adamant that he did rather poorly in the expansion draft.
It has worked out but not because of what he did terms of the roster but rather because of his other personnel decisions.
Chayka is laughable so far but they might be looking at full (re)build so a bit early to say if that is the case.
Tim Murray is another great example of how most posters are entirely clueless.
aufheben
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Hopefully this post doesn't come off as ignorant, but I think there's a little truth to it:
What's Vegas' record at home? I was listening to Spittin' Chiclets today (Barstool hockey podcast w/ Ryan Whitney) and Whit was saying that a few teams have had an extra night in Vegas the night before the game... That plays a part in this, early game in the beginning of the season and a new team in Vegas, you do the math. The players from other teams are underestimating Vegas and taking advantage of the city. I don't think this is sustainable, but if it is I'll eat crow.
What's Vegas' record at home? I was listening to Spittin' Chiclets today (Barstool hockey podcast w/ Ryan Whitney) and Whit was saying that a few teams have had an extra night in Vegas the night before the game... That plays a part in this, early game in the beginning of the season and a new team in Vegas, you do the math. The players from other teams are underestimating Vegas and taking advantage of the city. I don't think this is sustainable, but if it is I'll eat crow.
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Are either of these teams expected to be playoff contenders? Have either of these teams finished building their roster?
If not, why is it a big deal which of them were short term success in a single season? Isn't that completely missing the point?
If not, why is it a big deal which of them were short term success in a single season? Isn't that completely missing the point?
LeafsNation75
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Adding on to what you said but with a different take, how much of Vegas great start is them being on a 7 game home stand? Yes I know their first 2 games were on the road, however their 2nd road game was in Arizona and we all know how bad their season is going.
Coming from a Leafs fan that's a hilarious comment. Your team has been horrible for 20 years and in a permanent tank mode. I guess that means you have a lot of knowledge on the Coyotes situation.
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McPhee is a terrible GM, probably the worst in the league along with Bergevin and Chiarelli.
Gallant is making the most of that roster. Vegas will end up being a bottom 5-10 team at the end of the season anyways
Gallant is making the most of that roster. Vegas will end up being a bottom 5-10 team at the end of the season anyways
kingsfan28
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Chayka team needs to start to show improvement, and so far it hasn't. While rebuilds do take time, this one seems to not be going anywhere , especially with the moves he made over the summer. They look worse than last year. His job will be on the line if they don't start winning.
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HF likes Chayka because he makes roster moves and trades that the trade board loves.
He is like someone playing Football Manager 2017, but forgot these guys actually need to be able together and need a coach to put it together.
That said I’m not throwing a parade for McPhee either. I don’t believe at all he has made the best moves he could with this roster, and some of their success is more inspite of him.
I give Galliebt way more credit for Vegas’ early success.
He is like someone playing Football Manager 2017, but forgot these guys actually need to be able together and need a coach to put it together.
That said I’m not throwing a parade for McPhee either. I don’t believe at all he has made the best moves he could with this roster, and some of their success is more inspite of him.
I give Galliebt way more credit for Vegas’ early success.
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Machinehead
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Machinehead
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Have you ever heard the phrase "no it f***ing isn't"?
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I think its pretty clear that Arizona had playoff intentions. You dont acquire Stepan, Hjalmarsson, Raanta, Demers etc to attempt to be a middle of the pack team
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I did but in fairness, Rutherford was terrible for a decade in Carolina. Even his ex owner laughed at him.
He came from an analytics company... Stathletes Inc. When all you need to be assistant GM/GM is a calculator, knowledge on almonds, and spend all your time learning how to be a good interview... Well you get the current Yotes.
Corsi is just a really unnecessarily complicated way to provide evidence your team is playing well/bad as a unit and winning. Hjalmarsson had a career 53% corsi on a good Hawks team, and was consider a solid D-man. On the Yotes he plummets to 42% with Yotes. Useless stat is useless.
Machinehead
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It's not useless. It's just one part of the puzzle. There are more stats than corsi.
None of the analytics people I know think Hjalmarsson is particularly great. To blame Chayka's lack of success on only looking at a calculator is unfounded.
And saying the numbers are useless is just as silly as only looking at a calculator.
Everyone is always quick to jump on the failure of so called "analytics teams" like the Panthers and Coyotes, yet remain silent on Pittsburgh hiring a "nerd" right around the time they hired Sullivan, going on to win two Cups, or the success of Sutter's corsi-centric system in LA.
The truth is, nobody is an "analytics team." Every team uses them and no team uses them exclusively.
Well what else do I blame Chaya, he was brought in because he was a new wave analytics number jock. He has fallen flat on his face. Do I blame his non existent hockey IQ? I thought analytics trumped that?
They have Crosby, Malkin, and Letang. Even Blysma won a cup with them. Horrid example mate. They won a cup on team defense, their forwards back checked like crazy because Ruthford still doesnt know how to put together a good D. He was atrocious with Carolina especially when he attempted using numbers.
Your seriously going to use Sutter as an example. One of the more old school grind it out and play D coaches.
Do you even hockey? Or do you looks at numbers and player NHL Fail18 and pretend you hockey?
When Chayka was hired everyone on here thought the Yotes were a numbers team. Who are you trying to kid lol. Now that he failed worse than Maloney the Yotes are not a numbers team. Talk about cherry picking.
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Machinehead
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Blame analytics for the Yotes losing when they're an abysmal analytics team. Talk about cherry picking.
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