Speculation: Has Peter Chiarelli Finally Learned His Lesson?

[VainGretzky]

First of all Chia didn't trade Barzel. Second of all, Wheeler and Hall posted performances way beyond anything they have done the past couple years, especially the point they were at when they were traded. Kessel was traded almost a decade ago now after one great season where he sold high and got some great picks out of it. Sure Chia not be the greatest at trading but stop making a fool out of yourself

I said the assets Chia traded away Barzal was that asset

 

[go4hockey]

Worst trading GM in history AINEFC

Guessing your not old enough to remember Mike Millbury. He is truly the worst trading GM in history.

 

[go4hockey]

Would Milbury give him a run for that title?

Yep you nailed it. Milbury is far ahead he was a total goof

 

[go4hockey]

Yeah making the playoffs for the first time in 10 years sucked.

But I bet the nose dive the following year was fun. Come on man nobody that knows hockey can be happy with the job he has done there. But all the other division teams hope you keep him another 5 years at least.

 

[Former Referee 68]

Edmonton is a train wreck. How long until McDavid asks for a trade.

same time Matthews does

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

But I bet the nose dive the following year was fun. Come on man nobody that knows hockey can be happy with the job he has done there. But all the other division teams hope you keep him another 5 years at least.

except the reason we made the playoffs for the first time in a decade were because of his acquisitions
namely Talbot, Maroon, Lucic (he was good), Larsson, Sekera, Kassian and Letestu

all important and he acquired them all

 

[Guess]

Worst trading GM in history AINEFC

Dunno about that, Give Marc Bergevin a few more years and he would probably be just as bad

 

[Matty Sundin]

No. It's like asking your teams worst defenseman if he learned his lesson. He might regret it but he'll go out there and do something equally just as stupid as before.

 

[Stephen]

No, he's just cooking up his McDavid trade.

 

[go4hockey]

except the reason we made the playoffs for the first time in a decade were because of his acquisitions
namely Talbot, Maroon, Lucic (he was good), Larsson, Sekera, Kassian and Letestu

all important and he acquired them all

Funny many of those same guys is why you missed the playoffs the next year as many had down years. Good luck with the roster he has built as it is still filled with holes.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Funny many of those same guys is why you missed the playoffs the next year as many had down years. Good luck with the roster he has built as it is still filled with holes.

well yeah, of course that's the reason

doesn't change the fact he built a playoff team in 2016-17

 

[ManofSteel55]

I said the assets Chia traded away Barzal was that asset

No he wasn't. Draft picks were the asset that Chiarelli traded away for nothing. Barzal was never an asset that the Oilers had to trade. They (along with a pile of other teams) passed on selecting him, but they in no way, shape or form ever traded him. Plus, its all hindsight anyway, Barzal was seen as a huge boom or bust guy with some possible character flaws. He's boomed, and it looks like he's outgrown whatever flaws were there, if they ever truly existed, but let's not pretend that the Oilers traded Austin Matthews or Patrick Laine here. They didn't want the high risk/high reward player. They certainly weren't the only ones to pass on him either.

 

[thadd]

It's very dangerous to assume that PC is finished being crazy. Assuming the crazy is over is just leaving yourself open for heartbreak once again.

But course of action is to expect another brain fart, which will lead to him losing his job and if he somehow doesn't lose his job we can all turn into an angry mob again till the city joins us in unison calling for his head, throws jerseys on the ice and sacrifices goats in the name of PC's demise until the day of his reckoning.

 

[MessierII]

But I bet the nose dive the following year was fun. Come on man nobody that knows hockey can be happy with the job he has done there. But all the other division teams hope you keep him another 5 years at least.

Where was the angst when Yzerman and the bolts missed the playoffs in 2017? Good teams have injuries and miss the playoffs. It happens. The team will rebound next year guaranteed. 36-40-6 with the worst special teams in the league by a country mile and the among the worst goaltending in the league plus half most of your top 4 D injured isn’t even that bad. That’s just under .500 and close to 40 wins. People talk like the team finished 30th again or something.

 

[VainGretzky]

No he wasn't. Draft picks were the asset that Chiarelli traded away for nothing. Barzal was never an asset that the Oilers had to trade. They (along with a pile of other teams) passed on selecting him, but they in no way, shape or form ever traded him. Plus, its all hindsight anyway, Barzal was seen as a huge boom or bust guy with some possible character flaws. He's boomed, and it looks like he's outgrown whatever flaws were there, if they ever truly existed, but let's not pretend that the Oilers traded Austin Matthews or Patrick Laine here. They didn't want the high risk/high reward player. They certainly weren't the only ones to pass on him either.

You can argue the semantics all you want Barzal was drafted with the exact pick Chia moved for a dman that cleared waivers . No way do Islanders draft him without the ASSET Chia traded to them , adn you mentioning Laine or Matthews makes no sense whatsoever as the Oilers were never in position to draft either .

 

[34]

same time Matthews does

Toronto is one of the best young teams in the NHL. That is the difference.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You can argue the semantics all you want Barzal was drafted with the exact pick Chia moved for a dman that cleared waivers . No way do Islanders draft him without the ASSET Chia traded to them , adn you mentioning Laine or Matthews makes no sense whatsoever as the Oilers were never in position to draft either .

Laine or Matthews are mentioned because people like you seem to think that Barzal was that type of prospect - a sure fire, can't miss star. He wasn't. And he has far exceeded expectations.

 

[McNuge]

You can argue the semantics all you want Barzal was drafted with the exact pick Chia moved for a dman that cleared waivers . No way do Islanders draft him without the ASSET Chia traded to them , adn you mentioning Laine or Matthews makes no sense whatsoever as the Oilers were never in position to draft either .

It's not semantics. No teams have the same exact prospects ranked in the same order. He traded draft picks, Edmonton never had Barzal.

 

[Kranix]

Most people who say Chiarelli traded Barzal for Reinhart don't think Chiarelli literally drafted Barzal and then traded him. They mean he should have had Barzal ranked and kept the pick. It's not hard.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Most people who say Chiarelli traded Barzal for Reinhart don't think Chiarelli literally drafted Barzal and then traded him. They mean he should have had Barzal ranked and kept the pick. It's not hard.

a lot of teams should have taken Barzal though...like Arizona or Boston or Florida or Carolina

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Nah I'm sure he'll screw up again soon

He had to be quiet this offseason, he was probably feeling the heat

 

[Dr Pepper]

Everyone links Barzal to the Oilers the same way most peopl link Seguin to the Leafs; even if neither player was ever property of that respective team, it's the picks that were used to select them that create that link.

Chiarelli's trade record is downright laughable.....he's been at it for close to a decade, too. Kind of exciting to see what he'll come up with next.

 

[Kranix]

a lot of teams should have taken Barzal though...like Arizona or Boston or Florida or Carolina

The argument is he should have valued that pick infinitely more than the AHL defensive defenseman he coveted.
Do you also think the Hall for Larsson trade was good because Hall hadn't yet won a Hart Trophy?

 

[Mr Positive]

Most people who say Chiarelli traded Barzal for Reinhart don't think Chiarelli literally drafted Barzal and then traded him. They mean he should have had Barzal ranked and kept the pick. It's not hard.

yes, but when people say that he traded Barzal, they are looking at what Barzal is now and not what he was then. Look at all the GMs who passed on him in that draft. Barzal obviously put in work and made himself better today than he was back then, and by a larger margin than any GMs thought, GMs who have a good rep such as the Boston GM. A similar thing has gone on with the Hall trade, with outrageous hyperbole like saying it is the worst trade of all time (lol), which is a shell game that involves pretending that today's Hall with the Hart is the same one that was traded, and also diminishing what Larsson is.

And btw, I'm not saying that these were moves that Chia did good ones, just that the hate on these moves is vastly overstated. On places like forums, or just in general, people like finding targets to bash because it is fun, and then it becomes hyper charged. I get that people like drumming up the drama of it, but guess what? Chiarelli isn't the cartoon character people here portray him as. Just like with those individual moves, his total record is also contorted to make it seem a lot worse than it really is, with his bad moves overly emphasized and exaggerated, and his good moves diminished more than they should be or not mentioned at all.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The argument is he should have valued that pick infinitely more than the AHL defensive defenseman he coveted.
Do you also think the Hall for Larsson trade was good because Hall hadn't yet won a Hart Trophy?

I said I hated the Reinhart trade from the beginning...but not because we didn't draft Barzal...I hate it cause we missed out on building our prospect depth

because the truth is, no one knows if they would have chosen him anyways