Habs Off-season discussion Part 4 (Your ****** proposals still go here)

[overlords]

Our offense is going to be reeling from the net loss of Gionta + Vanek + Briere vs Parenteau.

Not necessarily. We didn't have vanek in 2012-2013 and we did fine. Obviously, better to have a great player like vanek than nothing, but even when he was putting up points in the regular season for us, the team was playing really badly.

I'm hoping parenteau can kinda fill gionta's role. I don't think he's used to playing toughest matchups, but he could do well in that role. He's a smart player. The only thing I worry about is fans getting on his case for his inevitable drop in production. Not sure I'd like him on the DD line but he could fit really well with Eller playing against secondary matchups.

The increase in production from kids like beaulieu, galchenyuk, gallagher and hopefully the defensive acumen of a malhotra will offset any difference, I think.

Not to mention that ridding ourselves of plugs like murray and bouillon allows for a much better transitional game, which will only help.

overlords = not particularly worried.

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Not necessarily. We didn't have vanek in 2012-2013 and we did fine. Obviously, better to have a great player like vanek than nothing, but even when he was putting up points in the regular season for us, the team was playing really badly.

I'm hoping parenteau can kinda fill gionta's role. I don't think he's used to playing toughest matchups, but he could do well in that role. He's a smart player. The only thing I worry about is fans getting on his case for his inevitable drop in production. Not sure I'd like him on the DD line but he could fit really well with Eller playing against secondary matchups.

The increase in production from kids like beaulieu, galchenyuk, gallagher and hopefully the defensive acumen of a malhotra will offset any difference, I think.

Not to mention that ridding ourselves of plugs like murray and bouillon allows for a much better transitional game, which will only help.

overlords = not particularly worried.

I think you are lost. This is a habs board, where optomism is banned.....you must have taken some of this today.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ontreal-canadiens-meth-kingpin-151826396.html

 

[Big Lurk]

Our offense is going to be reeling from the net loss of Gionta + Vanek + Briere vs Parenteau+Sekac.

Fixed

The only net loss is Vanek.
Sekac is good for 25 pts, realistically

Parenteau = Gionta offensively in a worst case scenario.

We were still making the playoffs without Vanek.

Its time for the youth movement!!

 

[overlords]

I think you are lost. This is a habs board, where optomism is banned.....you must have taken some of this today.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...ontreal-canadiens-meth-kingpin-151826396.html

I was voted most optimistic poster at some point a few years back on this board.

No doubt about it, though. I love a lot of the moves Bergevin has made this offseason. I just find them hard to reconcile with the moves he made last year, you know?

 

[Habsawce]

Any idea what is going to happen with the goalie situation? I'm curious to know what they're going to do with Budaj and Tokarski going forward but haven't heard anything.

 

[Halifaxhab*]

I was voted most optimistic poster at some point a few years back on this board.

No doubt about it, though. I love a lot of the moves Bergevin has made this offseason. I just find them hard to reconcile with the moves he made last year, you know?

He's learning. I mean this really is only the 3rd offseason as a GM for him. Peaks and valleys.

 

[overlords]

He's learning. I mean this really is only the 3rd offseason as a GM for him. Peaks and valleys.

It's not so much that I can't forgive a mistake or two, it's just that the philosophy behind the moves seem completely different. Really confusing.

 

[Halifaxhab*]

It's not so much that I can't forgive a mistake or two, it's just that the philosophy behind the moves seem completely different. Really confusing.

That's one of the valleys. But you can see he's learning. Signs Briere....trades his primadonna butt. Signed Murray and Bouillion.....but mercifully only 1yr deals. If he brings Cube back, I don't know what to say other than he needs to be slapped.

 

[Mr. Hab]

Get Dustin Penner before another team takes him...
(he's good in playoffs...it's all about the playoffs and playoff depth...get Penner...cheap win-win situation).

Close the off-season gap by making it...:
Gionta + Vanek (approx.35-40 games) + Briere
VS
PA Parenteau + Penner + Sekac



Playoffs:
Galchenyuk - Pleks - Gallagher
Pacioretty - DD - PA Parenteau
Bourque - Eller - Weise/Penner/Sekac?
Prust/Bournival/Moen - Malhotra - Penner/Weise
Sekac?

Worth trying Penner on the 3rd or at worst...4th line (for PLAYOFFS).

 

[bigtimehockeyfan999*]

Not necessarily. We didn't have vanek in 2012-2013 and we did fine. Obviously, better to have a great player like vanek than nothing, but even when he was putting up points in the regular season for us, the team was playing really badly.

I'm hoping parenteau can kinda fill gionta's role. I don't think he's used to playing toughest matchups, but he could do well in that role. He's a smart player. The only thing I worry about is fans getting on his case for his inevitable drop in production. Not sure I'd like him on the DD line but he could fit really well with Eller playing against secondary matchups.

The increase in production from kids like beaulieu, galchenyuk, gallagher and hopefully the defensive acumen of a malhotra will offset any difference, I think.

Not to mention that ridding ourselves of plugs like murray and bouillon allows for a much better transitional game, which will only help.

overlords = not particularly worried.

Buddy, we didn't have vanek in 2013-14 and we did fine

 

[JAVO16]

Buddy, we didn't have vanek in 2013-14 and we did fine

We weren't doing very well before getting Vanek. The team went on a tear after we got him, but we were in a battle for a playoff spot before that.

The year prior we also had Ryder for most of the season which people are overlooking right now.

2012-2013 Gionta + Ryder > Parenteau + Sekac
2013-2014 Vanek + Gionta > Parenteau + Sekac >= Gionta

Basically, the comparisons hinge on Sekac being ready to make an impact in the NHL. If he's more of a Damien Brunner than a Janne Lahti, him combined with Parenteau will be better than Gionta alone. But if he's not, I think Gionta and Parenteau will end up being a relative wash.

 

[overlords]

Buddy, we didn't have vanek in 2013-14 and we did fine

I thought we actually played like **** for most of the year. Lots of sloppy, boring hockey where we got bailed out by price.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

I thought we actually played like **** for most of the year. Lots of sloppy, boring hockey where we got bailed out by price.

Pfft who needs Vanek?! He's a scrub!! He only got 10 points in the playoffs. He's no warrior!

 

[WestIslander]

Bergevin needs to find a way to acquire Kane from Winnipeg without giving up Pacioretty, Galchenyuk or Gallagher.

I would live to see (on forward):

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Kane - Plekanec - Parenteau
Bourque - Eller - Sekac
Moen - Malhotra - Weise

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Bergevin needs to find a way to acquire Kane from Winnipeg without giving up Pacioretty, Galchenyuk or Gallagher.

I would live to see (on forward):

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Kane - Plekanec - Parenteau
Bourque - Eller - Sekac
Moen - Malhotra - Weise

The way to do that is to find some really juicy blackmale pics on Chevyldayoff.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

The way to do that is to find some really juicy blackmale pics on Chevyldayoff.

Freudian slip?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

I'd prefer Andrew Ladd personally, the guy has every thing we could want in a veteran winger ; size,skills,work ethic, a Stanley Cup winning background,etc. That being said, Kane would make us better as well.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

If Parenteau can put up 50-60 points and we get progression offensively from guys like Eller, Galchenyuk and Gallagher our offense will be fine. Also having a way better transition game with guys like Beaulieu and Gilbert (instead of Gorges/Bouillon/Murray) added to our D and second powerplay unit will help improve our offense.

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Freudian slip?

nope

 

[overlords]

Freudian slip?

oh you.

 

[sampollock]

need to move DD, I know hard to do, but then we may get bigger again.

DD is bring the height ratio down

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

The way to do that is to find some really juicy blackmale pics on Chevyldayoff.

Pictures of subban have almost no trade value, not exactly sure where you're going.

 

[Team_Spirit]

The way to do that is to find some really juicy blackmale pics on Chevyldayoff.

 

[Halifaxhab*]

Pictures of subban have almost no trade value, not exactly sure where you're going.

Or Kane.

 

[Frozenice]

I think Byfugelin would benefit us the most, especially if you factor in the cost/benefit ratio.