hyena
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just to clarify -- do they have to have an official announcement to cancel the season? i mean, does gary have to call a BoG meeting to do it, or could they just let the season slip away?
hyena said:just to clarify -- do they have to have an official announcement to cancel the season? i mean, does gary have to call a BoG meeting to do it, or could they just let the season slip away?
hyena said:just to clarify -- do they have to have an official announcement to cancel the season? i mean, does gary have to call a BoG meeting to do it, or could they just let the season slip away?
[email protected] said:It's my sense that they will not cancel the season any time soon, becuase as soon as they do, the urgency to get this resolved before next season disappears, at least from the NHL's perspective. If it doesn't get resolved next week, it will bleed into mid March before everyone looks around and says "hey, there is no way you can play a meaningful season now" and then the NHL will cancel.
mr gib said:he should be - gary bettman is trying to bust the union - its quite plain to see - the players have to hang tough -
Donnie D said:Folks, you get your hopes up when things are going bad and now you get down in the dumps when things are going good.
Here is what happened over the past 2 days, no source, just logic.
As I said on an earlier post, both sides went in to see if the other would blink. The owners on one side have had no cracks, not a hint. Yes, the big honking fine keeps them from complaining publicly, but you have not heard anything, not one sound of any owner complaining behind the scenes. And if the owners were unhappy, someone would be talking to the national media where they could speak freely without being identified.
On the other side, you have the players. They are beginning to crack. Not a landslide by any means, but players beginning to speak out. Today, in what I think was the biggest indication of problems, the mouthpiece for the union (Brooks)comes out and says, in effect, folks you got it all wrong. The players would accept a cap, its just that the commissioner didn't offer the right kind of cap. If it wasn't tied to revenues, the players would accept it. It's not the players fault that there was a lockout, the players didn't cave, it's the owners fault. They weren't smart enough to offer the right kind of hard cap.
Out of Chicago we hear the same thing, Philly, Tampa. Damage control is out full force. The players are caving. The players have given on the cap over the past 2 days and they are trying to spin it in the best light possible. They are now negotiating the details. The owners continue to push and the union, in a scene worthy of an academy award stomps out of the meeting, in full view, for everyone to see. I have been in these types of negotiations before, stomping out is a trick designed to get the other side to say, "come back we'll make concessions". It's very unsettling to have it happen when you are so close to settlement. But the owners aren't rookies, they let Bob walk, knowing that in a day or two they can restart the communication and get it finished.
My reasons for believing this? If they were truly that far apart and it was hopeless, they would be busy trashing the other side, making them the bad guy for the season being cancelled. The owners would be ending the season.
But that isn't happening is it? The owners are making sure not to piss off the players, they are making nice. Why you ask? They are putting the hammer to the players and they don't want to rub their face in it.
If I am not right, you will see the season cancelled the next couple of days. If I am right, they will begin talking on Super bowl Sunday or Monday.
This isn't done, but it's darn close.
so you don't think there should be a fair deal?Jussi said:An we're all hoping they do...
Donnie D said:Folks, you get your hopes up when things are going bad and now you get down in the dumps when things are improving.
Here is what happened over the past 2 days, no source, just logic.
As I said on an earlier post, both sides went in to see if the other would blink. The owners on one side have had no cracks, not a hint. Yes, the big honking fine keeps them from complaining publicly, but you have not heard anything, not one sound of any owner complaining behind the scenes. And if the owners were unhappy, someone would be talking to the national media where they could speak freely without being identified.
On the other side, you have the players. They are beginning to crack. Not a landslide by any means, but players beginning to speak out. I really thought Bob would throw away the season, but his employers (the players) want a deal. Today, in what I think was the biggest indication of problems, the mouthpiece for the union (Brooks) comes out and says, in effect, folks you got it all wrong. The players would have accepted a cap, its just that the commissioner wasn't smart enough to offer the right kind of cap. If it wasn't tied to revenues, the players would accept it. It's not the players fault that there was a lockout, the players didn't cave, it's the commissioner's fault. He wasn't smart enough to offer the right kind of hard cap.
Out of Chicago we hear the same thing, Philly, Tampa. Damage control is out full force. The players are caving. The players have given on the cap over the past 2 days and they are trying to spin it in the best light possible. They are now negotiating the details. The owners continue to push and the union, in a scene worthy of an academy award, stomps out of the meeting, in full view, for everyone to see. I have been in these types of negotiations before, stomping out is a trick designed to get the other side to say, "come back we'll make concessions". It's very unsettling to have it happen when you are so close to settlement. But the owners aren't rookies, they let Bob walk, knowing that in a day or two they can restart the communications and get it finished.
My reasons for believing this? If they were truly that far apart and it was hopeless, they would be busy trashing the other side, making them the bad guy for the season being cancelled. The owners would be ending the season.
But that isn't happening is it? The owners are making sure not to piss off the players, they are making nice. Why you ask? They are putting the hammer to the players and they don't want to rub their face in it.
If I am not right, you will see the season cancelled the next couple of days. If I am right, they will begin talking on Super bowl Sunday or Monday.
My guess, based upon what I see, is that we are in better shape tonight than we have been.
you sir are a TRUE BELIEVER! but i now believe the owners are out to break the union to their collective bargaining knees and will not compromise or relent until they are good and ready-which i believe to be a good thing---if the players had re-opened the cba in 2001 when the owners requested it we would not be in this stink but the union thumbed their noses at their employers and now "payback is hell" if a union ever needed to be broken to pieces for being greedy bastards it is this one! GO OWNERS!thistle said:This post in itself puncuates the admiration I have for bargainers / negotiators at any level. Its an art form and they are playing it to a tee, both sides. As pissed off as I am about missing hockey and all the crap that goes with this lockout, I am impressed with these mind-games they are playing. You have to at least respect their savy. Don't believe the hype people, a season there will be.
Donnie D said:Folks, you get your hopes up when things are going bad and now you get down in the dumps when things are improving.
Here is what happened over the past 2 days, no source, just logic.
As I said on an earlier post, both sides went in to see if the other would blink. The owners on one side have had no cracks, not a hint. Yes, the big honking fine keeps them from complaining publicly, but you have not heard anything, not one sound of any owner complaining behind the scenes. And if the owners were unhappy, someone would be talking to the national media where they could speak freely without being identified.
On the other side, you have the players. They are beginning to crack. Not a landslide by any means, but players beginning to speak out. I really thought Bob would throw away the season, but his employers (the players) want a deal. Today, in what I think was the biggest indication of problems, the mouthpiece for the union (Brooks) comes out and says, in effect, folks you got it all wrong. The players would have accepted a cap, its just that the commissioner wasn't smart enough to offer the right kind of cap. If it wasn't tied to revenues, the players would accept it. It's not the players fault that there was a lockout, the players didn't cave, it's the commissioner's fault. He wasn't smart enough to offer the right kind of hard cap.
Out of Chicago we hear the same thing, Philly, Tampa. Damage control is out full force. The players are caving. The players have given on the cap over the past 2 days and they are trying to spin it in the best light possible. They are now negotiating the details. The owners continue to push and the union, in a scene worthy of an academy award, stomps out of the meeting, in full view, for everyone to see. I have been in these types of negotiations before, stomping out is a trick designed to get the other side to say, "come back we'll make concessions". It's very unsettling to have it happen when you are so close to settlement. But the owners aren't rookies, they let Bob walk, knowing that in a day or two they can restart the communications and get it finished.
My reasons for believing this? If they were truly that far apart and it was hopeless, they would be busy trashing the other side, making them the bad guy for the season being cancelled. The owners would be ending the season.
But that isn't happening is it? The owners are making sure not to piss off the players, they are making nice. Why you ask? They are putting the hammer to the players and they don't want to rub their face in it.
If I am not right, you will see the season cancelled the next couple of days. If I am right, they will begin talking on Super bowl Sunday or Monday.
My guess, based upon what I see, is that we are in better shape tonight than we have been.
LordStanley said:I don't think there's time either. I know its very unlikely, but maybe Bettman is just shooting for some type of playoff tournament? It would upset a lot of fans, but he might prefer it to canceling since it would probably be a hit among less "serious" fans, and help to increase interest in the game. If thats the case, these negotiations could go on for weeks.
kmad said:The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Goodenow, yes son, I want to kill you
Bettman...i want to...
KOVALEV10 said:Man I hate those ****in greedy players. You're making millions and millions a year playing a freaking game you love while most fans wont even make the ammount of money they are making each year in our whole lifetime!
free0717 said:The players have to fire Goodenow and bring in someone else. Goodenow job was to get a deal with no cap and Goodenow as long as he is head of the Union will never agree to it no matter what his constituancy wants.
How do you know that, do you have access to the NHLPA website vote results?NataSatan666 said::lol
His constituancy refuses to play under a cap system. Get it through your head
NataSatan666 said::lol
His constituancy refuses to play under a cap system. Get it through your head
And as long as the NHL keeps it on their agenda there won't be any NHL hockey
And if this season and next gets cancelled, there won't be anymore NHL
Both sides have lots to lose 2.2 Billion at last count per season
"If you do not like the conditions you are playing under then just leave. By signing into the NHL you should have thought about the working conditions."
They signed contracts under the old CBA. The NHL doesn't want to grandfather in anything. They want to go back on and change a VALID CONTRACT
Good luck with that too