BLONG7
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This is why he should be fired by the players...misterjaggers said:Goodenow is now realizing that he miscalculated the owners' resolve.
This is why he should be fired by the players...misterjaggers said:Goodenow is now realizing that he miscalculated the owners' resolve.
BLONG7 said:This is why he should be fired by the players...
SSJTOM said:That is impossible.
There is no way they went 13+ hours and made no progress, none what so ever.
Even if we took the biggest Pro-Owners member and the biggest Pro-PA Fanboy on the boards and had them argue like children for 13 hours they would eventually make some kind of progress.
I find it immpossible to belive to professional groups could talk for 13 hours negotiating and make no progress...
Summery: I ****ing hate Saskin.
Are you thinking what im thinking....hmmmm maybe Saskin's gonna be in charge.misterjaggers said:Goodenow is now realizing that he miscalculated the owners' resolve.
misterjaggers said:Goodenow is now realizing that he miscalculated the owners' resolve.
BLONG7 said:This is why he should be fired by the players...
I think that he may have brass balls, but if he doesn't then he has just crossed the line into obscurity, losing his boys a billion dollars...Looks good on him...417 TO MTL said:That's right, he's lead them down a path that they should of never entered, I will say that Goodenow has brass balls though...
Russian Fan said:Right now you heard a lot about how some players would accept a form of cap
Biggest Canuck Fan said:So everything you mentioned about the players not wanting is moot at this point.
All Goddenow has to do is say, OK the players will accept a cap, but not at what you suggest...
they then make a deal from there.
You know as well as I do the number one issue is a cap. If the owners cannot get off linkage to revenue then I will place the blame squarely at them cause the players have moved.
You have to give to get, and it seems right now Goodenow is not even willing to listen to his own bosses, the players.
he should be - gary bettman is trying to bust the union - its quite plain to see - the players have to hang tough -GodZillaAteMyZamboni said:Goodenow....Howard Berger said this was as upset as he's seen Goodenow throughout this process.
Russian Fan said:when everypoint of the proposals is 100% on the owners side, saying you will agree with a cap without linkage doesn't mean anything. Right now it's more Daly & Bettman saying they won't budge on anything.
Can you tell me where the OWNERS compromise so far ? Where ?
Russian Fan said:when everypoint of the proposals is 100% on the owners side, saying you will agree with a cap without linkage doesn't mean anything. Right now it's more Daly & Bettman saying they won't budge on anything.
Can you tell me where the OWNERS compromise so far ? Where ?
- Giving 1 UFA year (31 to 30) is not compromising it's less than before.
- Arbitration : new system owner's way
- Rookie cap : is maybe the only point where both side agree but it's not compromise from the owners , it's the PA's who's willing to give it to them.
- Individual cap is again owner's way
Hard stance of Bettman-Daly won't go anywhere except leading them to war & confrontation with the PA.
Biggest Canuck Fan said:So everything you mentioned about the players not wanting is moot at this point.
All Goddenow has to do is say, OK the players will accept a cap, but not at what you suggest...
they then make a deal from there.
You know as well as I do the number one issue is a cap. If the owners cannot get off linkage to revenue then I will place the blame squarely at them cause the players have moved.
You have to give to get, and it seems right now Goodenow is not even willing to listen to his own bosses, the players.
Russian Fan said:- Giving 1 UFA year (31 to 30) is not compromising it's less than before.
- Arbitration : new system owner's way
- Rookie cap : is maybe the only point where both side agree but it's not compromise from the owners , it's the PA's who's willing to give it to them.
- Individual cap is again owner's way
PitkanenPower said:Come on, you need to realize that everything in the owner's proposal was negotiable. I seriously doubt they spent 13 hours arguing about the UFA age. If the Players said UFA at 29 would get them to agree to a cap, the owners would be all over it. Arbitration the owners way? I'll say it one more time, every word in the proposal after "mutual arbitration" was fluff to be negotiated out of the CBA. There is only one sticking point - a cap, and its linkage to revenue.
VAN-HAB said:I don't know why but I am still optimistic, they will meet again soon, if not tonight for sure tomorrow. I am also pretty sure that Linden will be there too. This season won't be cancelled. They are playing hard a dangerous game that will end soon.
Jaded-Fan said:Well said, and I am surprised that they did not do just that . . . even at a ridiculous number such as $80 million. Hell, they have lost the perception war throughout this, that would at least make them seem more reasonable to the public. But instead you have no counter proposal since the first week in December from the PA. Amazing how stupidly they have been led.
Oh, for those saying the that pressure is squarely on the owners, I want some of what you are drinking. I have said this many times. Four year careers on average for players. One down, another seemingly on the way. If your name is not Joe Thorton, etc, you are going to be screaming for a deal, any deal, once next year starts to be lost. The owners would feel pain, but in reality very little. They make their money on franchise values. Get that Cap and franchise values would soar. Not bad for losing a year or so of hockey, they would end up making money. The players? Most would be losing a quarter, a third, half of their short careers as this winds into a second year. Where do you think that the pressure lies most?
I don't think there's time either. I know its very unlikely, but maybe Bettman is just shooting for some type of playoff tournament? It would upset a lot of fans, but he might prefer it to canceling since it would probably be a hit among less "serious" fans, and help to increase interest in the game. If thats the case, these negotiations could go on for weeks.Lady Rhian said:The season is over, IMO. No deal made by now, then they'll be no time left for them to get a season going. By the time they try to start a training camp, get players back from Europe and other places and all the other things that need to be done before a season starts, it would take about another 2-3 weeks. They don't have this time on their side left for this.
It irks me, that there was NO sense of urgency before this. They waited and waited until now for all these meetings, and still, they can't come to some blasted agreement.
And now, instead of doing the proper and FAIR thing to do for the fans, and just cancel the damn season, they keep the fans dangling for about another week, by then, everyone will get it that it's over.