Proposal: Fire Ken Holland 2023-2024 Edition

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

and? who cares when it comes if it improves the team?

Do you remember how the 2017/18 season went?

Waiting until the TDL to fix your team is not the answer.

Holland needs to be proactive and he never has been. Why would he start now?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Do you remember how the 2017/18 season went?

Waiting until the TDL to fix your team is not the answer.

Holland needs to be proactive and he never has been. Why would he start now?

so firing him and bringing in a new GM who takes 40 games to assess the team is the answer?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

so firing him and bringing in a new GM who takes 40 games to assess the team is the answer?

Why would it take forty games?

But I guess using that logic do you expect a new coach to implement their new system immediately and have it be effective?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Why would it take forty games?

because no GM comes in and immediately makes changes to a team he doesn't know

But I guess using that logic do you expect a new coach to implement their new system immediately and have it be effective?

yes...see Jay Woodcroft in 2022
see Mike Sullivan with the Pens in 2016
see Bruce Boudreau with the Caps in 2007

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

because no GM comes in and immediately makes changes to a team he doesn't know

yes...see Jay Woodcroft in 2022
see Mike Sullivan with the Pens in 2016
see Bruce Boudreau with the Caps in 2007

Well only one of those coaches has ever won anything.

But it’s Holland. He will probably call Babcock.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

That Connor Brown contract isn't just grounds for firing. That should be grounds for investigation for intentional sabotage.

 

[YEGman]

Detroit held a parade when we stupidly hired Holland and saved Yzerman from demoting him to parking lot attendant

 

[McFlash97]

Holland doesn't care man lol. He has one foot out the door. I like how people in here are saying Fire Holland, like that's going to fix this generational disaster of a lineup. This is going to take a decade to fix. Even with competent drafting and GMing.

 

[Anarchism]

Holland doesn't care man lol. He has one foot out the door. I like how people in here are saying Fire Holland, like that's going to fix this generational disaster of a lineup. This is going to take a decade to fix. Even with competent drafting and GMing.

Coulda fixed it this last summer at least mostly.

 

[Gordy Elbows]

With Holland being a lame duck GM just waiting for his contract to end, I’m hoping that Jackson is taking an active interest in every potential transaction coming up. Also, with the “new & improved” stats group, I hope Jackson is getting direct info on trade targets of interest.
Quite frankly, I have more faith in Jackson’s evaluation skills than Hollands, given our changes this season.

 

[fuswald]

With Holland being a lame duck GM just waiting for his contract to end, I’m hoping that Jackson is taking an active interest in every potential transaction coming up. Also, with the “new & improved” stats group, I hope Jackson is getting direct info on trade targets of interest.
Quite frankly, I have more faith in Jackson’s evaluation skills than Hollands, given our changes this season.

Just what we need rookie gm and rookie coach

 

[Gordy Elbows]

Not ideal for sure. But I think it’s better than status quo.
As to coaching, Woodcroft isn’t a rookie…kinda.

 

[tiger_80]

Holland marries Brown after getting fired.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Holland isn’t going anywhere.

Woody isn’t going anywhere.

It’s Ride Or Die with those 2 this year for better or for worse.

 

[Keggatron]

Fire this f***ing guy already.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Time to go old man.

 

[MoontoScott]

Holland isn’t going anywhere.

Woody isn’t going anywhere.

It’s Ride Or Die with those 2 this year for better or for worse.

I can't see how firing Holland would make any difference now. He's in the last year of his contract and the club is so cap constrained that any serious moves are out of the question.

The club will probably finish the season with "Gentleman Ken" and move on from there.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I can't see how firing Holland would make any difference now. He's in the last year of his contract and the club is so cap constrained that any serious moves are out of the question.

The club will probably finish the season with "Gentleman Ken" and move on from there.

Yeah why bother trying to make any changes of worth. Full steam ahead into the Iceburg.

 

[Soundwave]

Yeah why bother trying to make any changes of worth. Full steam ahead into the Iceburg.

This team should just decide on a course of action and then do the opposite of what they were planning to do.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Yeah why bother trying to make any changes of worth. Full steam ahead into the Iceburg.

So you fire Ken Holland and replace him with......who? Teams wont allow candidates to be interviewed mid season.

You fire Holland now and you've drastically limited the playing field for his replacement unless your good with JJ hiring one of his buddies now in the same vein Burger Bob hired his buddies without a proper in-depth candidate search and a top to bottom organizational needs assessment.

 

[ConnorNova0929]

I would hope that Holland has been effectively dismissed behind the scenes and is not solely in charge of roster moves going forward. The last time we let a desperate GM make some moves to "right the ship" we were treated with Spooner, Petrovic, Brandon Manning (wtf) and the Koskinen extension.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

So you fire Ken Holland and replace him with......who? Teams wont allow candidates to be interviewed mid season.

You fire Holland now and you've drastically limited the playing field for his replacement unless your good with JJ hiring one of his buddies now in the same vein Burger Bob hired his buddies without a proper in-depth candidate search and a top to bottom organizational needs assessment.

There’s people that get paid far more money than I’ll ever see to make those decisions. I don’t know who’s out there but I’d get started now.

 

[MoontoScott]

So you fire Ken Holland and replace him with......who? Teams wont allow candidates to be interviewed mid season.

You fire Holland now and you've drastically limited the playing field for his replacement unless your good with JJ hiring one of his buddies now in the same vein Burger Bob hired his buddies without a proper in-depth candidate search and a top to bottom organizational needs assessment.

Agreed- probably best to leave it alone until season's end and then do a thorough search with the whole league as your target. Did someone say that his son is the favorite to take over?

 

[MoontoScott]

I would hope that Holland has been effectively dismissed behind the scenes and is not solely in charge of roster moves going forward. The last time we let a desperate GM make some moves to "right the ship" we were treated with Spooner, Petrovic, Brandon Manning (wtf) and the Koskinen extension.

Too funny-who was Brandon Manning?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Agreed- probably best to leave it alone until season's end and then do a thorough search with the whole league as your target. Did someone say that his son is the favorite to take over?

You wait that long and the next GM might be facilitating McDavid and Draisatl trades.