Proposal: Fire Ken Holland 2023-2024 Edition

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Holland couldn't do much due to the cap. He's a good GM who is basically forced into relying on internal growth.

Yeah, why is the cap such a mess again…

 

[McDNicks17]

Holland couldn't do much due to the cap. He's a good GM who is basically forced into relying on internal growth.

You can't use the cap excuse when he's personally spent $62M of the roster.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Yeah, why is the cap such a mess again…

You can't use the cap excuse when he's personally spent $62M of the roster.

Yep. As I said to another poster earlier, the first year...fine. He inherited Chiarelli's mess. The year after though, he kicked the mop bucket over and created a new one.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Yep. As I said to another poster earlier, the first year...fine. He inherited Chiarelli's mess. The year after though, he kicked the mop bucket over and created a new one.

Every contract and hit against the cap except McDavid and Drai belongs to Holland.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Holland couldn't do much due to the cap. He's a good GM who is basically forced into relying on internal growth.

Brad, tell your dad he'd not be in this situation if he learned a little bit of Excel.

 

[Soundwave]

Chia:

Holland

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Wings well on their way to their sixth straight win. Bet they don’t miss Holland one iota.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Bruins fans and Wings fans warned us about Chiarelli and Holland.

What was that one trade Chiarelli made out of nowhere...Ryan Spooner for Strome .

I dunno, should have just given the reigns to Keith in hindsight after Chiarelli was canned midgame.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Every contract and hit against the cap except McDavid and Drai belongs to Holland.

Our 2 great contracts weren't his, makes sense lol

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Our 2 great contracts weren't his, makes sense lol

Chiarelli wasn’t totally incompetent but neither of them are good GMs.

 

[GOilers88]

Wings well on their way to their sixth straight win. Bet they don’t miss Holland one iota.

Let's see where they're at when the season is winding down

 

[NashtoNowitzki]

Holland couldn't do much due to the cap. He's a good GM who is basically forced into relying on internal growth.

My god the endless excuses some of you make for this dummy. What the f*** are you actually talking about?

 

[29Beast97Mode]

My god the endless excuses some of you make for this dummy. What the f*** are you actually talking about?

Holland is a good GM who has some misses (signing Campbell) but Campbell was going to sign for that anyway with another team. He got 104 pt Nuge cheap, got Hyman cheap, gave Kane a chance and it worked out before his injury. That trade for Ekholm was great. This slow start is out of his control and not his fault. Can you imagine Chiarelli trying to build this team? Lol.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Let's see where they're at when the season is winding down

I mean we should finish ahead of the Wings, but considering the state Holland left them in, if they make the playoffs this year that's a huge leap forward. They certainly didn't get the benefits of a generational player and another player who isn't far behind.

Holland is a good GM who has some misses (signing Campbell) but Campbell was going to sign for that anyway with another team. He got 104 pt Nuge cheap, got Hyman cheap, gave Kane a chance and it worked out before his injury. That trade for Ekholm was great. This slow start is out of his control and not his fault. Can you imagine Chiarelli trying to build this team? Lol.

As I said before, all but 2 hits against the cap are Holland's. Darnell Nurse's contract is a huge anchor. When Holland started 4 years he had three major roster holes on his agenda: Goaltending, defense, and depth scoring. The last few years we've been undone by exactly those things. There have been some good acquisitions but part of the problem with Holland too is the drafting under him has been abysmal. That we haven't even call up someone right now is 100% Holland's fault with brutal cap management.

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

Fire Katz

Katz needs to pull a Danbury trashers move and make his son the GM

 

[tiger_80]

fire that fraud Woody before Holland

Fire Woody, screw Holland.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

not even the DoD had defense and goaltending this bad.

Retire Holland and bring in a serious GM.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Holland couldn't do much due to the cap. He's a good GM who is basically forced into relying on internal growth.

Agreed, but for all the good things he's done he's also made the cap worse. He is replacement level GM, which is rare air in edmonton.


People need to stop blaming Holland though, because the owner keeps hiring presidents with no experience. Holland is third in the blame chain line for the roster currently

 

[Soundwave]

Agreed, but for all the good things he's done he's also made the cap worse. He is replacement level GM, which is rare air in edmonton.


People need to stop blaming Holland though, because the owner keeps hiring presidents with no experience. Holland is third in the blame chain line for the roster currently

This is Holland's roster, lol, he spent every dollar on this salary cap not named McDavid or Draisaitl (the only two contracts left from Chiarelli's time here), lol.

You can't seriously believe what you just typed.

 

[MoontoScott]

Time to bring in Keith Richards as GM. Keith has a 60 year history of being in the upper echelon of his industry. Let him try this one too.

 

[tiger_80]

I think this season is a wash. It only took McDavid and Draisaitl underperforming for the team to crash. They need to start moving some expensive pieces and begin the retool in the offseason. RNH, Kane, Ceci, Kulak should be in play. So many shitty unmoveable contracts too (Campbell, Skinner, Nurse).

 

[Shizuka]

I think this season is a wash. It only took McDavid and Draisaitl underperforming for the team to crash. They need to start moving some expensive pieces and begin the retool in the offseason. RNH, Kane, Ceci, Kulak should be in play. So many shitty unmoveable contracts too (Campbell, Skinner, Nurse).

Another poster pointed out (I had also forgotten this salient point) that Kane apparently has a full NMC. Full, until 2025. Ceci is not going to return a replacement NHL D at this point, let alone anything of even marginal value. Kulak to me is not one of the glaring issues. RNH will not get moved as he's considered core. Nurse, same thing and he has an albatross contract that no intelligent GM will take on unless desperate or prone to gambling. He eats up minutes.. but the quality of those 25+ minutes varies wildly, night to night and sometimes shift to shift. Bouchard is a f***ing disaster in his own zone with seemingly no inclination to learn how to defend properly. At all. The goalies have been hung out to dry, and while they have had some good moments, well.. they still can't make a save when it's necessary, and their game implodes under pressure.

All this after the f***ing empty off-season platitudes and bullshit spewed about being hungry and determined to win. The absolute gut punch is that f***ing moron GM is going to end up trading the 1st in a desperate bid to shore up what he hasn't been able to fix for years' worth of off-seasons, and we may well end up missing the playoffs anyways. Just such a terribly constructed roster, with a front office staffed by incompetent boobs from top to bottom.

 

[94 Oil Drops]

Sooner or later he'll be gone. I sincerely hope (no, BEG) that the man who comes in here has a plan to focus on building the defense from the ground up. I don't care if we need to trade Nurse and Bouchard. This f***ing mess on the back end needs to be fixed or else McDavid and Draisaitl are going to start packing.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

not even the DoD had defense and goaltending this bad.

Retire Holland and bring in a serious GM.

exact same defense and goaltending that won 50 games last year

this is mostly on Woody's revamped "system" that would make Dallas Eakins blush

 

[Soundwave]

exact same defense and goaltending that won 50 games last year

this is mostly on Woody's revamped "system" that would make Dallas Eakins blush

With McDavid scoring at a Gretzky like pace and a PP clicking at a historic pace.

Allowing the D and goaltending to stay as is was like allowing a ticking time bomb to keep going, I think it’s just blown up in this organization’s face fully.