HEAVY DUTY
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Franson Reimer for Jones 2nd
you have got to be trolling? that is so not enough for jones.
try kessel for jones & 1st and maybe they'll bite.
Franson Reimer for Jones 2nd
The core has yet to be established.
My best guess would be JVR, Kadri, Reilly, Bernier, Nylander
Need to add defense, and skilled grit.
Biggest decision is if kessel is a part of the core
I think we all need to accept Stamkos not wanting to come to Toronto.
He plays in a decent enough hockey market in Tampa. He plays for a very strong team, with a great future, of who he would be a captain for as long as he plays with them. He's got a great coach, and a very smart GM.
Toronto has none of what Tampa has, except maybe its a bigger market.
Rather than banking on him to join us in our misery, I would actually like to rebuild, draft and develop our own stud. It's not like we can't, if Tampa can. Most of their impact players were all drafted outside of the 1st round (Tyler Johnson was a UFA signing).
They have two high picks who they've build their team around, and they've spent the UFA money wisely on guys like Filppula and Stralman.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is how to build a team.
People still can't see it... The way this market is player development is a huge disadvantage for this organization. They have both hands tied behind there backs do to the fact that the scrutiny of the market eats players alive regardless if the players are young and growing or Hall of famers.
This market needs vets, good vets to take most of the heat off developing youth. The issue is that management keeps going to the way of forcing youth to beat out road block vets for jobs in key roles where coaches ALWAYS END UP PLAYING THE VET. The result is they don't develop youth using them in the key roles like they do well everywhere else gaining experience at the NHL level all the while getting good vets to play with the young guys as appose to playing over them.
If this organization knew how to develop players these past 3 years Kadri would have been the #1 center playing with Kessel and Gardiner would have been paired with Phanuef.
That's how you develop your best players instead what we got is Bozak joined to Kessel's hip and have stupidly had Gunnarsson, Holzer and even Mike Kostka with Phanuef over Gardiner.
We don't develop youth we put them in positions to fail by means expecting lots from them yet never give the opportunity in the key roles to actually go and achieve the expectations. We dick them around & break there confidence in Toronto both from the organization it's self and especially from the media.
It's crazy I tell you. Over 20 years ONLY Kaberle reached star status from the Leaf developmental ways (Had many achieve that status once we traded them) and people wonder what's wrong with the Leafs? It's painfully there for everybody to see. We eat are own as a fan base & media. The organization responds by babying youth afraid to develop them at the NHL level committing to them in key roles based on the merit of talent letting them gain experience.
Toronto Trades:
Kessel
Franson
Islanders Trade:
Strome
MDC
Hamonic
1st rounder 2015
Truly think that the islanders are the best and most realistic partners for the leafs for a kessel trade at the deadline or summer
I would have agreed but I'll throw Montreal back at you.
They've got as much media attention as we do. Their media scrutinizes the team when they aren't playing well just as much as Toronto's does. Their players, young and old, are both magnified just as much as they are in Toronto.
Having said that, Montreal has successfully been able to develop two franchise players in Carey Price and P.K Subban.
Toronto's market isn't whats stopping them. It's the quality of our draft picks. I do agree that our amateur scouting team needs a major overhaul. Even Morrison has received ample time since taking over for Barry Trapp but hasn't had a single player he drafted and developed who has turned out to be a core piece (Kadri, and high picks excluded, because I can go make those picks).
You hit the nail on the head! Home run!!!!!!!!!!!People still can't see it... The way this market is player development is a huge disadvantage for this organization. They have both hands tied behind there backs do to the fact that the scrutiny of the market eats players alive regardless if the players are young and growing or Hall of famers.
This market needs vets, good vets to take most of the heat off developing youth. The issue is that management keeps going to the way of forcing youth to beat out road block vets for jobs in key roles where coaches ALWAYS END UP PLAYING THE VET. The result is they don't develop youth using them in the key roles like they do well everywhere else gaining experience at the NHL level all the while getting good vets to play with the young guys as appose to playing over them.
If this organization knew how to develop players these past 3 years Kadri would have been the #1 center playing with Kessel and Gardiner would have been paired with Phanuef.
That's how you develop your best players instead what we got is Bozak joined to Kessel's hip and have stupidly had Gunnarsson, Holzer and even Mike Kostka with Phanuef over Gardiner.
We don't develop youth we put them in positions to fail by means expecting lots from them yet never give the opportunity in the key roles to actually go and achieve the expectations. We dick them around & break there confidence in Toronto both from the organization it's self and especially from the media.
It's crazy I tell you. Over 20 years ONLY Kaberle reached star status from the Leaf developmental ways (Had many achieve that status once we traded them) and people wonder what's wrong with the Leafs? It's painfully there for everybody to see. We eat are own as a fan base & media. The organization responds by babying youth afraid to develop them at the NHL level committing to them in key roles based on the merit of talent letting them gain experience.
I would have agreed but I'll throw Montreal back at you.
They've got as much media attention as we do. Their media scrutinizes the team when they aren't playing well just as much as Toronto's does. Their players, young and old, are both magnified just as much as they are in Toronto.
Having said that, Montreal has successfully been able to develop two franchise players in Carey Price and P.K Subban.
Toronto's market isn't whats stopping them. It's the quality of our draft picks. I do agree that our amateur scouting team needs a major overhaul. Even Morrison has received ample time since taking over for Barry Trapp but hasn't had a single player he drafted and developed who has turned out to be a core piece (Kadri, and high picks excluded, because I can go make those picks).
Toronto Trades:
Kessel
Franson
Islanders Trade:
Strome
MDC
Hamonic
1st rounder 2015
Truly think that the islanders are the best and most realistic partners for the leafs for a kessel trade at the deadline or summer
Toronto Trades:
Kessel
Franson
Islanders Trade:
Strome
MDC
Hamonic
1st rounder 2015
Truly think that the islanders are the best and most realistic partners for the leafs for a kessel trade at the deadline or summer
Already traded to buffalo.
Throw Montreal at me... Do you remember the struggles Price had or the issues with Subban? What Montreal does is they stay committed to these young guys and USE THEM we don't.
Toronto's market is stopping them because management continues to fall victim to the BS instead of ignoring it and do right by it's youth which it doesn't. We traded Steen why? We traded Tulusty why? We traded Stralman why? We traded Stalberg why? We don't commit to our youth the way we should and it's because we're chickens to develop at the NHL level. None of these guys got a chance to develop in a core role to see what they are before we traded them and that trend still continues. Kadri not only does he play behind Bozak he played behind Mcclement as well. Gardiner went from all rookie team where he was called silver as a vet that played like he had 1000 games under his belt to the point his agent had to start #FREEJAKEGARDINER under Carlyle.
This organization has to stop the BS and place a premium on it's best young guys... This isn't house league where you put this notion that they have to make the team. You project and promote based on talent and make room for them when it's determine they're ready for the NHL.
The late great Burns said it best. "If you want me to play and get the most out of a kid get rid of the vet first that holds that spot for the opportunity to be afforded. When have the Leafs done this?
Answer NEVER.
Why haven't they done this? I'll let you answer that because it's not that they're not good enough. Toronto is a youth graveyard and a place that if I was getting drafted by them I would actually refuse to report like Lindros did with Quebec.
I was thinking:For me no.
We have a chance (and should) position ourselves to draft a Barzal.
If O'Reilly could be had for Phaneuf you jump on it.
How would you like our center depth to be Kadri/O'Reilly/Barzal/Gauthier.
You move Kessel for a ? if possible and move into position to draft.
It's wishful thinking but I'd move to a new tomorrow.
I was thinking:
Kessel for Jones + Fiala + NAS 1st 2015 (they would give up this much to become legit contenders)
Phaneuf for ROR
Bozak + Franson for Ritchie + ANA 1st 2015
Lupul for 2nd 2015
Trade our 1st + NAS 1st + ANA 1st for a top 2-3 pick. Say we nab Eichel.
JVR - Eichel - Nylander
Brown/Fiala - Kadri - ROR
Komarov - Holland - Santorelli
Winnik - Gauthier - Clarkson
-Brown/Fiala/Leivo/Panik/Broll/Smith
Rielly - Jones
Gardiner - Polak
Percy - Robidas
-Loov/Granberg/Holzer/Finn
Bernier
Reimer
Roll with it.
Toronto Trades:
Kessel
Franson
Islanders Trade:
Strome
MDC
Hamonic
1st rounder 2015
Truly think that the islanders are the best and most realistic partners for the leafs for a kessel trade at the deadline or summer
2nd round pick, and prospect, call it a day, see ya Franson.
NEW YORK ISLANDERS
You can’t have the moon unless you ask for it first.
If the Maple Leafs are looking to reload the roster with good prospects and a proven young player, the Islanders could play matchmaker. New York is deep down the middle, thus a guy like Ryan Strome could be available in any deal that may involve a scorer of Kessel’s ilk. With a multi-player deal in mind perhaps Kessel, Jake Gardiner and a draft pick head to Long Island in exchange for a package of blue chippers.
Potential trade chips: Strome, Griffin Reinhart, Michael Dal Colle, Ryan Pulock, Josh Ho-Sang, Brock Nelson
franson will get us a late 1rst, watch and see
rhs d ,pp specialist
has size, will get a little rough
teams will want him for 2nd pair and top pp in the POs
mac is just defending his position, we was on tv the other night trying to poo poo a notion of a blow up and snarked "and what, get a late 2nd for franson"?
remember a lot of these media folks with crap on a blow up, they don't want to face the dark times and story lines ahead. that rotten meat on the media bone.
If we actually trade Kessel.... I would definitely trade with NYI, if they trade some of the young players listed
Five potential trade destinations for Phil Kessel
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/five-potential-trade-destinations-for-phil-kessel/
Kessel, Gardiner and a draft pick
Ryan Strome, Griffin Reinhart and Brock Nelson... 2 young centers both with 1st line potential and a blue chip defenseman
I think the Isles are pretty high on Nelson and don't see all those players in return.
I would definitely take Strome (drafted 5th overall), and Reinhart (drafted 4th overall) for Kessel.
That's very comparable to the position of the picks we gave up and immediately addresses our prime areas of weakness/rebuild. Center/D.