Confirmed with Link: Eric Staal (50% retained) to NYR for two 2nds (2016//2017) and Aleksi Saarela

[RodTheBawd]

Clearly an overreaction based on 2 games, but their board does not seem pleased. "unmotivated" "dead legs" "disengaged".... sounds familiar.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Clearly an overreaction based on 2 games, but their board does not seem pleased. "unmotivated" "dead legs" "disengaged".... sounds familiar.

I mean, we had said all along that if Staal played most of his career in a major hockey market, he'd have been torn to shreds for how he plays most nights

 

[geehaad]

RIP in pieces Eric Staal

 

[StormCast]

"Elite"

I think it's a typo.

Meant to read E-lite, as in a shadow of his former self.

 

[RodTheBawd]

I mean, we had said all along that if Staal played most of his career in a major hockey market, he'd have been torn to shreds for how he plays most nights

I figured he'd be a bit more motivated in a major market (while still getting torn to shreds), but again, 2 games.

I think it's a typo.

Meant to read E-lite, as in a shadow of his former self.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I watched the 1st game and thought Staal looked engaged and pretty decent. I watched last nights game and he looked pretty bad IMO. No jump, turn-overs on the PP, just sticking his stick out instead of skating after a guy, etc.. Looked like he was in slow motion most of the time.

 

[nobuddy]

I hear you. Those teams that finish top-2 in their division year after year, and make it to the Stanley Cup finals and conference finals in back to back years really do have some soul searching to do.

yeah, they do. ask their board. they've never been a legitimate threat to win a Cup, even the year they made the final (though they were close).

they give up huge assets and mortgage their future every single year (MSL, Yandle, Staal), misuse them, and lose them for little or nothing.

Glass played more than Eric last night. Yandle plays bottom pairing minutes behind M. Staal.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I read somewhere the other day. Keith Yandle get's a higher % of offensive zone starts (70%) than pretty much any other regular D in the entire NHL. He also goes against some of the weakest competition.

I don't get to watch the Rangers enough, but it seems like the coach (right or wrong) has zero trust in Yandle in defensive situations or in their own zone?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I read somewhere the other day. Keith Yandle get's a higher % of offensive zone starts (70%) than pretty much any other regular D in the entire NHL. He also goes against some of the weakest competition.

I don't get to watch the Rangers enough, but it seems like the coach (right or wrong) has zero trust in Yandle in defensive situations or in their own zone?

Granted that it is only angry fans on a message board, but fwiw, there was a main board thread a week or two ago and general consensus was that Vignault was the only coach who apparently even comes close to being as bad as Thierrien.

 

[Stickpucker]

I watched the 1st game and thought Staal looked engaged and pretty decent. I watched last nights game and he looked pretty bad IMO. No jump, turn-overs on the PP, just sticking his stick out instead of skating after a guy, etc.. Looked like he was in slow motion most of the time.

He's so powerful he can literally slow time!!

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I read somewhere the other day. Keith Yandle get's a higher % of offensive zone starts (70%) than pretty much any other regular D in the entire NHL. He also goes against some of the weakest competition.

I don't get to watch the Rangers enough, but it seems like the coach (right or wrong) has zero trust in Yandle in defensive situations or in their own zone?

Or, they've done a cost/benefit analysis that tells them he's got more value in offensive zone starts than in defensive zone starts. He does have 31 assists, after all.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

He's so powerful he can literally slow time!!

#DilatedPerception

 

[Sens1Canes2]

Granted that it is only angry fans on a message board, but fwiw, there was a main board thread a week or two ago and general consensus was that Vignault was the only coach who apparently even comes close to being as bad as Thierrien.

That's not really worth anything.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

yeah, they do. ask their board. they've never been a legitimate threat to win a Cup, even the year they made the final (though they were close).

they give up huge assets and mortgage their future every single year (MSL, Yandle, Staal), misuse them, and lose them for little or nothing.

Glass played more than Eric last night. Yandle plays bottom pairing minutes behind M. Staal.

A team who lost in the Finals didn't really have a chance?

 

[Ole Gil]

yeah, they do. ask their board. they've never been a legitimate threat to win a Cup, even the year they made the final (though they were close).

If you're in the cup finals, you're a threat to win the cup finals regardless of what their board says.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Or, they've done a cost/benefit analysis that tells them he's got more value in offensive zone starts than in defensive zone starts. He does have 31 assists, after all.

Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. Play players to their strength. Even so, it doesn't mean that they trust him in his own zone as well. I have no way of knowing for sure so it's definitely just speculation. It's probably a little bit of both.

Either way though, it can explain why Staal is playing more than Yandle (SG's post) in a particular game. Whether it's because they don't trust him or they are just playing players to their strength, it will depend on game situations. On the Season, the Rangers have a pretty balanced ES workload among their D. Klein: 17:43, McDonaugh: 17:40, Staal: 17:32, Girardi: 17:27, Yandle: 17:16.

For Clarification, the 70% was 5V5 and 11 of his 31 are on the PP. That doesn't change your point though.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Yeah, I'm sure that's part of it. Play players to their strength. Even so, it doesn't mean that they trust him in his own zone as well. I have no way of knowing for sure so it's definitely just speculation. It's probably a little bit of both.

Either way though, it can explain why Staal is playing more than Yandle (SG's post) in a particular game. Whether it's because they don't trust him or they are just playing players to their strength, it will depend on game situations. On the Season, the Rangers have a pretty balanced ES workload among their D. Klein: 17:43, McDonaugh: 17:40, Staal: 17:32, Girardi: 17:27, Yandle: 17:16.

For Clarification, the 70% was 5V5 and 11 of his 31 are on the PP. That doesn't change your point though.

I suspect that as Advanced Stats become more a part of the game, you'll start to see these kinds of more radical splits, as teams try to figure out where they can exploit these kinds of advantages.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Looks like Staal continued his dominance of the Islanders over the weekend.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Looks like Staal continued his dominance of the Islanders over the weekend.

He was very good last night (except for faceoffs) as well.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Idunno, lately he's been picking up. Got to watch him in Buffalo last night and man does he like to harass the front of the net

 

[poobags]

Looks like Staal continued his dominance of the Islanders over the weekend.

He was very good last night (except for faceoffs) as well.

Can you blame him for having a night off? He won 20/22 faces against the Islanders. TWENTY. But that was a home game. 4/14 away is not so great but still gives him a 63.15% win rate over 2 games.

He definitely became much more proficient at faceoffs later in his career. Got to be Brind'amour coaching.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

My idiot lizard hindbrain saw this post just now and went "OMG DUDE WE TRADED ERIC STAAL WTF" for, like, a tenth of a second, before the rest of my brain punched my hindbrain in the mouth and told it to shut the **** up.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Granted that it is only angry fans on a message board, but fwiw, there was a main board thread a week or two ago and general consensus was that Vignault was the only coach who apparently even comes close to being as bad as Thierrien.

That's really weird how by-far the worst coaches in the NHL are employed in Montreal and New York City.

 

[Chan790]

That's really weird how by-far the worst coaches in the NHL are employed in Montreal and New York City.

The 14th-century French mystic and saint Bonaventure said "How like a monkey is man? The higher he climbs, the more he shows you of his posterior." (Clearly, St. B was a comedian too.)

Even Scotty Bowman would be accused of being a terrible coach under withering attention of Rongos and Habs fans on an international stage...every gamble that doesn't pay off being yet more "proof" he can't coach...and of-course, if you don't take risks, you're accused of being a terrible coach that holds back his players and his team.

You can't win for winning in NYC or Montreal or Toronto...I don't get why anybody would want to play, general manage, or coach there. The fans are just never happy and no matter what you do or how well you perform, they're just going to tear you down.

 

[StormCast]

Even Scotty Bowman would be accused of being a terrible coach under withering attention of Rongos and Habs fans on an international stage...every gamble that doesn't pay off being yet more "proof" he can't coach...and of-course, if you don't take risks, you're accused of being a terrible coach that holds back his players and his team.

Uh...well...not exactly...