Elias Pettersson vs. Auston Matthews

[Dache]

...just not as good as the guy he's compared to.

Sometimes yes sometimes no. I can find a whole pile of leaf fans that vote for Matthews in every poll. Does that mean they’re crapping on every other player? And should Matthews only be compared to players clearly below him? What’s the point in that?

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Petterssen has better play off stats than McDavid does that mean hes better than Connor?

 

[Wandering Cynic]

You are basing this off one post season. Matthews has showed up in tons of big games against difficult teams hence 12 goals in 25 playoff games.

If Vancouver played the 2017 Washington Capitals, 2018 Boston Bruins or 2019 Boston Bruins are we having this same discussion?

I mean they played the reigning cup champs and the Vegas Golden Knights (both top tier teams). It's not like they were playing a bunch of chumps.

 

[Dache]

Petterssen has better play off stats than McDavid does that mean hes better than Connor?

Are Pettersson and McDavids regular season stats as close as Pettersson and Matthews? No they’re not. No one is saying the only thing that matters is the playoffs, but some people seem to be saying it doesn’t matter at all

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

I mean they played the reigning cup champs and the Vegas Golden Knights (both top tier teams). It's not like they were playing a bunch of chumps.

Blues were worst team in the bubble (large in part due to goal tending) and Vegas is absolutely dominating the Canucks. Would have been over in 4 barring two amazing goal tending performances.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Are Pettersson and McDavids regular season stats as close as Pettersson and Matthews? No they’re not. No one is saying the only thing that matters is the playoffs, but some people seem to be saying it doesn’t matter at all

Matthews and Peterssens regular season stats arent close. Matthews scores more goals than Petey does assists.

 

[Morbo]

Sometimes yes sometimes no. I can find a whole pile of leaf fans that vote for Matthews in every poll. Does that mean they’re crapping on every other player? And should Matthews only be compared to players clearly below him? What’s the point in that?

What's the point is exactly my question here.

We should really be comparing Petterssen to his peers, or at least finding another guy to "vs", not a guy who loses polls to every other star.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Are Pettersson and McDavids regular season stats as close as Pettersson and Matthews? No they’re not. No one is saying the only thing that matters is the playoffs, but some people seem to be saying it doesn’t matter at all

Perfect example is the current discussion about MacKinnon versus McDavid. MacKinnon's playoff performance is causing a lot of "is he better than McDavid" threads because their regular season performances are at least in the same ballpark to warrant the question.

 

[Dache]

Matthews and Peterssens regular season stats arent close. Matthews scores more goals than Petey does assists.

Their first 2 years in the league are very close and you know that.

 

[Dache]

What's the point is exactly my question here.

We should really be comparing Petterssen to his peers, or at least finding another guy to "vs", not a guy who loses polls to every other star.

I think you’re playing the victim a bit much here. Matthews doesn’t lose every poll and in what way is Matthews not one of Petterssons peers?

 

[Dache]

Perfect example is the current discussion about MacKinnon versus McDavid. MacKinnon's playoff performance is causing a lot of "is he better than McDavid" threads because their regular season performances are at least in the same ballpark to warrant the question.

Exactly. And having that conversation doesn’t mean that either of them is getting crapped on or run down.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Their first 2 years in the league are very close and you know that.

One scored 40 goals and was on pace for 50 his 2nd year. How many players do that in their first 2 years?

Much more impressive than the other player imho.

 

[Dache]

One scored 40 goals and was on pace for 50 his 2nd year. How many players do that in their first 2 years?

Much more impressive than the other player imho.

So then Laine > Marner?

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

So then Laine > Marner?

I value goal scoring more than assists and they both are weak defensively. Both are a step below elite but good players.

I'd actually compare Marner to Petterssen more than to Matthews. Similar tier of player imo. A step below the Matthews, Pastrnak, Kucherov tier.

 

[Dache]

I value goal scoring more than assists and they both are weak defensively. Both are a step below elite but good players.

I'd actually compare Marner to Petterssen more than to Matthews. Similar tier of player imo. A step below the Matthews, Pastrnak, Kucherov tier.

So just skirt around the actual question?

 

[D0ctorCool]

I don’t question the compete level of either. I think both guys really want to win, but I like Pettersson’s character over Matthews’. And that goes a long ways for me.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

You are basing this off one post season. Matthews has showed up in tons of big games against difficult teams hence 12 goals in 25 playoff games.

If Vancouver played the 2017 Washington Capitals, 2018 Boston Bruins or 2019 Boston Bruins are we having this same discussion?

Meh. The 2020 St. Louis Blues and the Vegas Knights are as good or better than those teams. At some point you need to discard the excuses. Winning in the playoffs is always difficult. There are never easy matchups.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

So just skirt around the actual question?

I said I value goal scoring more than assists did you even read what I said? However, Laine doesn't score goals at the same rate Marner produces assists. I said it is close when both players are on their game as both have had consistency problems.

Marner produces assists at a better rate than Petey. That is why I am saying Marner is a better person to compare Petey with than Matthews as they are both playmakers.

Is Marner better than Petterssen? Point wise its an easy yes imo.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Meh. The 2020 St. Louis Blues and the Vegas Knights are as good or better than those teams. At some point you need to discard the excuses. Winning in the playoffs is always difficult. There are never easy matchups.

Vegas yes I 100% agree. They are dominating the series it is ridiculous the canucks are alive. Much credit to the canucks goal tending.

The Bruins and the caps both were amazing teams. This isn't excuses. I am merely saying it is really tough to compare playoffs as different quality of competition occcurs. That is why you compare regular season because generally all things are equal over time.

 

[Dache]

I said I value goal scoring more than assists did you even read what I said? However, Laine doesn't score goals at the same rate Marner produces assists. I said it is close when both players are on their game as both have had consistency problems.

Marner produces assists at a better rate than Petey. That is why I am saying Marner is a better person to compare Petey with than Matthews as they are both playmakers.

Is Marner better than Petterssen? Point wise its an easy yes imo.

But Pettersson scores goals at a much higher rate than Marner, so why shift to points now? So when it’s Matthews vs Pettersson it’s about goals, Marner vs Laine it’s about assists, and Marner vs Pettersson it’s total points. I’m going to have to start writing this down.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Matthews.

Bigger, stronger, WAY more goals, more points.........easy choice.

Better moustache, too.

 

[rotiman187]

Matthews.

Bigger, stronger, WAY more goals, more points.........easy choice.

Better moustache, too.

Great regular season player.

 

[Morbo]

I think you’re playing the victim a bit much here. Matthews doesn’t lose every poll and in what way is Matthews not one of Petterssons peers?

Look, the victim gaslight doesn't work on me. don't waste the keystrokes.

 

[Dache]

Look, the victim gaslight doesn't work on me. don't waste the keystrokes.

Sounds good. You continue to think there some sort of conspiracy going on and that Matthews should win every poll. Have a good evening

 

[MrOT]

Why do people always bring up "supporting cast"?

What matters is LINEMATES.

Not only. 2 elite Cs share the attention from the other team.