Dreger: Edmonton Oilers Have Offers For Jordan Eberle, Trade Likely

[CodeE]

And you know what? Larsson >>>> Hamonic. Hamonic wouldn't even come CLOSE to what Larsson has done for us. So yes, we are right that a Hall for Hamonic trade would be an epic disaster.

Thank you for once again insisting an Oiler player is >>>> better than an Islander one. It's one thing to talk about how terrible you think Islanders players are, but when you start saying Jordan Eberle doesn't have enormous trade value, you're crossing a serious line.

ManofSteel is right, you guys are such kinder and nicer than us Islander fans. We really do ruin everything.

 

[Lacaar]

His ppg has dropped each of the last four years which doesn't help his value.

John Tavares ppg has dropped every year for four years.......

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Thank you for once again insisting an Oiler player is >>>> better than an Islander one. It's one thing to talk about how terrible you think Islanders players are, but when you start saying Jordan Eberle doesn't have enormous trade value, you're crossing a serious line.

ManofSteel is right, you guys are such kinder and nicer than us Islander fans. We really do ruin everything.

I don't know about Larsson being >>>> Hamonic, but all things considered (age, contract, injury history, etc) I definitely think Larsson was the better fit for us long term.

And either way, what does it matter? The Isles - reportedly - weren't willing to move Hamonic, and the Devils were willing to move Larsson.

Most Oiler fans at the time - and a good chunk even now - feel that we lost the battle but won the war in that deal in the sense that the pure value might have been off by a bit but we got something we desperately needed.

Strome for Eberle isn't that at all; never mind the fact that you'd want us to take back a cap dump as well. Thats losing on all fronts, aside from getting one year's worth of cap space that we might not need anyway.

That's why IMO Eberle for Cizikas would be quasi equivalent to the Hall deal in the sense that Eberle is the better player but Cizikas at least represents something we need.

 

[yababy]

Yeah only reason anyone not currently on psychedelic drugs takes Strome over Eberle is salary...

If we aren't getting salary relief you can forget about strome being the main piece coming back for Eberle because that's ridiculous.

with a faceoff % of 42.7% Strome is not coming to Edmonton

in fact, if the Oilers have a forward coming back in a deal I'd be surprised if it weren't Jordan Staal - faceoff % 59.1

 

[MessierII]

Thank you for once again insisting an Oiler player is >>>> better than an Islander one. It's one thing to talk about how terrible you think Islanders players are, but when you start saying Jordan Eberle doesn't have enormous trade value, you're crossing a serious line.

ManofSteel is right, you guys are such kinder and nicer than us Islander fans. We really do ruin everything.

Hamonic was a mess this year there's not much debate there.

 

[bucks_oil]

To be fair, you also won't find a single edm fan that would have agreed to trade Hall for Larsson prior to June 29, 2016.

Not true, we had a long conversation about Larsson for RNH the summer prior and many said: 1) couldn't trade RNH until we knew Drai could repeat and 2) it would take Hall... which many were ok with as a basis. There was an expectation at the time that NJ would need to add, but it wasn't an egregious add.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not true, we had a long conversation about Larsson for RNH the summer prior and many said: 1) couldn't trade RNH until we knew Drai could repeat and 2) it would take Hall... which many were ok with as a basis. There was an expectation at the time that NJ would need to add, but it wasn't an egregious add.

Exactly. A lot of Oiler fans suspected after the season was over that Hall might be going, and there was a lot of Larsson+ for Hall talk. We just didn't get the +. Most of the Hamonic talk was mid-season, and at that time I think codeE is actually correct in that most fans weren't ready to admit that Hall was going to be made available.

 

[bucks_oil]

I really don't understand why any conversation involving trade between Isles/Oilers fans has to be so toxic

There is a lot of bad blood and history... mostly from the Hamonic trade request thread. I certainly recognize one particular poster's negative style now that I've waded back into this thread and I'm sure the reverse is also true.

 

[belair]

with a faceoff % of 42.7% Strome is not coming to Edmonton

in fact, if the Oilers have a forward coming back in a deal I'd be surprised if it weren't Jordan Staal - faceoff % 59.1

Be prepared to be surprised.

Face-off percentages? Seriously.

 

[ManofSteel55]

with a faceoff % of 42.7% Strome is not coming to Edmonton

in fact, if the Oilers have a forward coming back in a deal I'd be surprised if it weren't Jordan Staal - faceoff % 59.1

I don't see why Carolina would feel the need to move Jordan Staal, especially for the pieces we have available.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Thank you for once again insisting an Oiler player is >>>> better than an Islander one. It's one thing to talk about how terrible you think Islanders players are, but when you start saying Jordan Eberle doesn't have enormous trade value, you're crossing a serious line.

ManofSteel is right, you guys are such kinder and nicer than us Islander fans. We really do ruin everything.

I never said that. Every fanbase has a few guys who are more confrontational. Most Islanders fans are easy to discuss these types of things with.

 

[LTIR]

Edmonton surely dodged a bullet if Hall for Hamonic was ever a thing.

 

[yababy]

Be prepared to be surprised.

Face-off percentages? Seriously.

yes, seriously.
The Oilers lost that series with Anaheim because they couldn't win faceoffs. Puck possession is huge
That'll be Chiarelli's to priority this offseason

 

[IslesFanatic]

Be prepared to be surprised.

Face-off percentages? Seriously.

One of the reasons why I want Duchene badly is because of his FO %. Isles are awful at FO. Hes at something like 62%.

 

[LTIR]

yes, seriously.
The Oilers lost that series with Anaheim because they couldn't win faceoffs. Puck possession is huge
That'll be Chiarelli's to priority this offseason

Oilers need Travis Zajac then.
Last season: 60% vs Oilers, 61% vs SJ, 49% vs ANA and 56% vs LA.

Interestingly enough all 3 of Kesler, Getzlaf and Vermette were sub 50% vs DET last year. DET had ANA figured out.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Be prepared to be surprised.

Face-off percentages? Seriously.

A good faceoff man would actually bring an element that we need.

Other than being cheap, what does Strome do that Eberle does not?

Can Isles fans comment on whether he's better at C or on the wing?

 

[IslesFanatic]

A good faceoff man would actually bring an element that we need.

Other than being cheap, what does Strome do that Eberle does not?

Can Isles fans comment on whether he's better at C or on the wing?

I think Strome SUCKS. Many isles fans will blame Capuano(rightfully so) on his **** play. I blame both. Not a big fan of his play. Disappears for long stretches and when he isn't scoring, he isn't doing much of anything else. He's shown flashes, but just not consistent enough to be counted on. I think he could play either position.

 

[LTIR]

I think Strome SUCKS. Many isles fans will blame Capuano(rightfully so) on his **** play. I blame both. Not a big fan of his play. Disappears for long stretches and when he isn't scoring, he isn't doing much of anything else. He's shown flashes, but just not consistent enough to be counted on. I think he could play either position.

Thank you for your honesty. Most fans here think by criticizing their player they are somehow effecting his trade value as if the GMs lurk these boards.

Strome might net Eberle for NYI but it wouldnt be because of what a group of fans here said.

Strome to me is similar to Lazar in terms of showing his promise at start but never getting there. A change in scenery might get him going so there is still some hope.

 

[MessierII]

Thank you for your honesty. Most fans here think by criticizing their player they are somehow effecting his trade value as if the GMs lurk these boards.

Strome might net Eberle for NYI but it wouldnt be because of what a group of fans here said.

Strome to me is similar to Lazar in terms of showing his promise at start but never getting there. A change in scenery might get him going so there is still some hope.

Strome has definitely shown more than Lazar at this level but yeah he's basically a worse version of Eberle.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think Strome SUCKS. Many isles fans will blame Capuano(rightfully so) on his **** play. I blame both. Not a big fan of his play. Disappears for long stretches and when he isn't scoring, he isn't doing much of anything else. He's shown flashes, but just not consistent enough to be counted on. I think he could play either position.

So he's a cheaper, less effective version of Eberle?

I guess it solves the cap hit issue. And he's young enough that maybe we could bring something out in him that hasn't been there yet. I'm not a big fan of Strome, but it could be a case of him needing a change of scenery as well. I'd hope it was Strome and a significant add on for Eberle though if all we are getting is cap space.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

So he's a cheaper, less effective version of Eberle?

I guess it solves the cap hit issue. And he's young enough that maybe we could bring something out in him that hasn't been there yet. I'm not a big fan of Strome, but it could be a case of him needing a change of scenery as well. I'd hope it was Strome and a significant add on for Eberle though if all we are getting is cap space.

I dug in a little bit:

From Jan 17 on - so Jack Capuano getting fired and Weight taking over:

Strome: 30 GP, 7g, 9a, 16 pts, -3. 82 game pace is 19-25-44, -8.

So there is some truth to saying that Strome improved under Weight - at least it shows up in his numbers somewhat. That makes me feel a little better, but I doubt I'll ever like it.

Strome is absolutely a punches in bunches guy. Plenty of stretches of nothing, but several 2 and 3 point games, too.

 

[belair]

So he's a cheaper, less effective version of Eberle?

I guess it solves the cap hit issue. And he's young enough that maybe we could bring something out in him that hasn't been there yet. I'm not a big fan of Strome, but it could be a case of him needing a change of scenery as well. I'd hope it was Strome and a significant add on for Eberle though if all we are getting is cap space.

This is exactly it. He's a much worse version at this point with the ability to play a flawed game at multiple positions instead of just at RW. If it goes down, I would fully expect us to take on a cap dump in this deal like Halak or Kulemin just to get that additional piece.

As for the faceoffs, in the playoffs, yes, they become much more of a factor then. During the regular season, if you're running a 60% guy on your third line who's completely useless in every other facet of the game, how is he helping you? That third line needs to produce in the regular season.

The faceoff argument is so undeniably boring. There are so many factors involved and the cold reality is only a very small amount of those faceoff wins or losses ever directly results in something happening one way or the other.

There are scramble draws, winger wins, what have you. The Oilers waived their best faceoff man twice last year and now he's playing in Russia.

The faceoff beast is a guy you can trade for at the deadline--they're always available.

 

[ManofSteel55]

This is exactly it. He's a much worse version at this point with the ability to play a flawed game at multiple positions instead of just at RW. If it goes down, I would fully expect us to take on a cap dump in this deal like Halak or Kulemin just to get that additional piece.

As for the faceoffs, in the playoffs, yes, they become much more of a factor then. During the regular season, if you're running a 60% guy on your third line who's completely useless in every other facet of the game, how is he helping you? That third line needs to produce in the regular season.

The faceoff argument is so undeniably boring. There are so many factors involved and the cold reality is only a very small amount of those faceoff wins or losses ever directly results in something happening one way or the other.

There are scramble draws, winger wins, what have you. The Oilers waived their best faceoff man twice last year and now he's playing in Russia.

The faceoff beast is a guy you can trade for at the deadline--they're always available.

A faceoff specialist doesn't have to be useless at every other aspect of the game. Winning faceoffs drives possession. I do agree that winning faceoffs isn't the be all, end all - creating turnovers and keeping the puck are far more important, but a quality 3rd line center (or 2nd line centre, but that's probably too much to ask) who can win faceoffs is a need for the team.

 

[Uindicator]

This is exactly it. He's a much worse version at this point with the ability to play a flawed game at multiple positions instead of just at RW. If it goes down, I would fully expect us to take on a cap dump in this deal like Halak or Kulemin just to get that additional piece.

As for the faceoffs, in the playoffs, yes, they become much more of a factor then. During the regular season, if you're running a 60% guy on your third line who's completely useless in every other facet of the game, how is he helping you? That third line needs to produce in the regular season.

The faceoff argument is so undeniably boring. There are so many factors involved and the cold reality is only a very small amount of those faceoff wins or losses ever directly results in something happening one way or the other.

There are scramble draws, winger wins, what have you. The Oilers waived their best faceoff man twice last year and now he's playing in Russia.

The faceoff beast is a guy you can trade for at the deadline--they're always available.

Would rather have an all round 3rd line centre face-off beast from the start of the season so that he gels with the team throughout the year. deadline would be too much of a gamble.

 

[THall4]

So he's a cheaper, less effective version of Eberle?

I guess it solves the cap hit issue. And he's young enough that maybe we could bring something out in him that hasn't been there yet. I'm not a big fan of Strome, but it could be a case of him needing a change of scenery as well. I'd hope it was Strome and a significant add on for Eberle though if all we are getting is cap space.

Ya, but you don't trade Eberle for a project like him alone. We had a player that was in a similar type position....he was dealt for a 3rd round pick...hes currently playing in the finals.