Dreger: Edmonton Oilers Have Offers For Jordan Eberle, Trade Likely

[Bryanbryoil]

If we're moving Eberle straight up for Strome then the return will be equal parts Strome the player and $3.5 million in cap. Player for payer we lose that trade. It'd be real nice if that is the deal that we're looking at if we could have a 2nd rounder or an expansion draft exempt prospect coming our way as well.

 

[Fourier]

A faceoff specialist doesn't have to be useless at every other aspect of the game. Winning faceoffs drives possession. I do agree that winning faceoffs isn't the be all, end all - creating turnovers and keeping the puck are far more important, but a quality 3rd line center (or 2nd line centre, but that's probably too much to ask) who can win faceoffs is a need for the team.

A good faceoff guy still has far less impact on possession than one might think. It's a desirable asset, but one that you should pay very little premium for.

Here's a quirky stat for you. In tonight's game Nashville wins the faceoff battle through the first two periods and trails 5-0. In the 3rd they win 3 of 16 and score three unanswered goals.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

A good faceoff guy still has far less impact on possession than one might think. It's a desirable asset, but one that you should pay very little premium for.

last time oilers went to cup finals they brought in peca... he seamed to show jarret stoll a few tricks... todd marchant seamed to get better...

of course many faceoffs are won by the wingers so you cant lay all blame on a weak center.

faceoffs are important the same way speed is... same way blocked shots are... same way icings are...

usually both teams do all this.... usally its only part of the game... but every now and then these things lead to a goal

in a league where teams might only score 200 goals in an 82 game season, having a 4-5 goal plus/or minus from faceoffs is potentially a big deal

you dont need to necessarily win the important draws but outright losing them can be very costly

 

[Vatican Roulette]

If we're moving Eberle straight up for Strome then the return will be equal parts Strome the player and $3.5 million in cap. Player for payer we lose that trade. It'd be real nice if that is the deal that we're looking at if we could have a 2nd rounder or an expansion draft exempt prospect coming our way as well.

Wotherspoon?

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

A good faceoff guy still has far less impact on possession than one might think. It's a desirable asset, but one that you should pay very little premium for.

Here's a quirky stat for you. In tonight's game Nashville wins the faceoff battle through the first two periods and trails 5-0. In the 3rd they win 3 of 16 and score three unanswered goals.

Damn, had recorded the game and was going to watch later. I know it's my fault for going ton NHL message board and hoping to avoid spoilers, but this is the first time it's happened this playoffs.
I can't not look at HFOil for a full day haha

 

[Fourier]

last time oilers went to cup finals they brought in peca... he seamed to show jarret stoll a few tricks... todd marchant seamed to get better...

of course many faceoffs are won by the wingers so you cant lay all blame on a weak center.

faceoffs are important the same way speed is... same way blocked shots are... same way icings are...

usually both teams do all this.... usally its only part of the game... but every now and then these things lead to a goal

in a league where teams might only score 200 goals in an 82 game season, having a 4-5 goal plus/or minus from faceoffs is potentially a big deal

you dont need to necessarily win the important draws but outright losing them can be very costly

No one will argue that being better at face offs is not a good thing. But you're not going to address this by changing all of your personnel. At most you may add one guy. The rest has to be internal improvement.

The whole point is the every now and then part...To improve by 5 goals you probably need to win an additional 350-400 face offs over the course of a season. Typically a top faceoff guy takes about 2000 face offs a year. To win 400 more draws you have to improve your faceoff numbers by 20% if the focus is one new player. Last year that was the difference between the top faceoff guy in the league and the 130th (300 or more draws). But if the change is Jay Beagle in and Logan Couture out you aren't better off.

Peca was a difference maker because he was a very good all-round player. Not simply because he was good on the draw. If you can improve the player and add a better faceoff man you win. If you just get a better FO% then your most likely a poorer team.

BY the way....Care to take a guess on which Oiler center had the best FO% in the playoffs. And in particular which Oiler center had the best numbers against Getzlaf?

 

[Fourier]

Damn, had recorded the game and was going to watch later. I know it's my fault for going ton NHL message board and hoping to avoid spoilers, but this is the first time it's happened this playoffs.
I can't not look at HFOil for a full day haha

Sorry about that!!!!!

 

[Took a pill in Sbisa]

Sorry about that!!!!!

No worries, it's completely my fault!

 

[belair]

last time oilers went to cup finals they brought in peca... he seamed to show jarret stoll a few tricks... todd marchant seamed to get better...

of course many faceoffs are won by the wingers so you cant lay all blame on a weak center.

faceoffs are important the same way speed is... same way blocked shots are... same way icings are...

usually both teams do all this.... usally its only part of the game... but every now and then these things lead to a goal

in a league where teams might only score 200 goals in an 82 game season, having a 4-5 goal plus/or minus from faceoffs is potentially a big deal

you dont need to necessarily win the important draws but outright losing them can be very costly

Ummmmm....

 

[Fourier]

No worries, it's completely my fault!

Here's the most embarrassing part of our exchange. I never saw the last part of the second or the third and the summary I received was for game 1. The final score was 6-0!!!

 

[Seedling]

Exactly this..In the Hall/Larrson trade I think that NJ got the better player...but the Oilers benefitted more from the trade (if that makes any sense).

I wouldn't be surprised if the return for Eberle (and his contract) are underwhelming.

No. Larsson is definitely the better player. Edmonton's goals against improved dramatically despite losing it's top goal scorer and NJ's went way down whilst having him. Hall is another Cammalleri. He'll get his goals and that's pretty much all he's good for. He will never be a guy to build around.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I didn't catch whose name it was but an insider was on Edmonton radio this morning saying he was a little surprised at how many teams were interested in Eberle.

I think it's likely he gets moved but I think the return will surprise people.

 

[LTIR]

I didn't catch whose name it was but an insider was on Edmonton radio this morning saying he was a little surprised at how many teams were interested in Eberle.

I think it's likely he gets moved but I think the return will surprise people.

I would be okay selling him for half his worth if Chia has someone like J.Williams lined up to take his spot.

kinda like Hall > Lucic

 

[CanadianPantherFan]

*Shrug* Find another team then.

You guys are quick to criticize Strome, he's terrible, he's half the player Eberle is, you'd be lucky to get Fayne for him, etc.

But then the second anyone criticizes Eberle or says they don't want to trade valuable assets for him, they're totally wrong, Eberle is awesome and is totally returning a top-4 defender via trade.

That's kinda the way hockey trades, and other sports trades work. The outsiders know and understand the strengths and flaws of a particular player and mentally adjust their trade value accordingly. You do it for Strome, meanwhile 30 other fanbases do the exact same thing for Eberle, and the fact that there are numerous fans who arrive at "he has negative value, wouldn't trade a 7th for him" says more than you'd like to admit about Eberle's potential value on the market.

But instead, just like last year, one Oiler fan will post "Eberle for Hamonic makes sense for both teams", 8 other Oiler fans agree, and that somehow sets Eberle's trade value despite the only input coming from people who'd really really really like to see Eberle get a great return on the trade market. When you start asking other franchises how much they'd give up for him, you get a more realistic picture, even if means wading through the "hahahaha Eberle has zero value" responses.

Very solid post. For example my friend thinks Eberle's value is much closer to Faulk/Barrie return than it is to Demers/CDH level for example. I told him if he lands Hamonic, thank your lucky stars because that's his MAX return. Of course I can be wrong, but don't tell him that's Eberle value lol. He knows he's "right" because everyone was correct on Hall pre trade value PK Subban right

You could also put Edmonton media types into your post above, but your write up was spot on. Oh btw, my friend writes for Oilers sites too.

 

[waitin425]

Eberle for Beaulieu and a 2nd

 

[A91]

Eberle for Beaulieu and a 2nd

NB is not good enough for our team. We are trying to build a cup winner.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Eberle for Beaulieu and a 2nd

Lol sure Edmonton needs RD help not LD help and besides no way does Beaulieu+2nd net you Jordan Eberle any other team out there would give Edmonton a better offer then that.

 

[Homesick]

last time oilers went to cup finals they brought in peca... he seamed to show jarret stoll a few tricks... todd marchant seamed to get better...

of course many faceoffs are won by the wingers so you cant lay all blame on a weak center.

faceoffs are important the same way speed is... same way blocked shots are... same way icings are...

usually both teams do all this.... usally its only part of the game... but every now and then these things lead to a goal

in a league where teams might only score 200 goals in an 82 game season, having a 4-5 goal plus/or minus from faceoffs is potentially a big deal

you dont need to necessarily win the important draws but outright losing them can be very costly

1. Stoll improved in faceoffs the previous NHL season when Adam Oates joined the team. 2. Marchant never played with Peca.

Very solid post. For example my friend thinks Eberle's value is much closer to Faulk/Barrie return than it is to Demers/CDH level for example. I told him if he lands Hamonic, thank your lucky stars because that's his MAX return. Of course I can be wrong, but don't tell him that's Eberle value lol. He knows he's "right" because everyone was correct on Hall pre trade value PK Subban right

You could also put Edmonton media types into your post above, but your write up was spot on. Oh btw, my friend writes for Oilers sites too.

Any ******* can be a blogger

Eberle isn't worth a top pairing defensman but he's worth more than Strome(bust) and a cap dump

 

[_Del_]

Imo, if Eberle could land Hamonic, that trade would have happened last summer. He's done nothing to add to his value in the meantime.
I don't think they can bring him back to that locker room wearing the A after that playoff performance. So the good news is we're likely to find out who is right about trade value.

 

[yababy]

blockbuster with Carolina

Eberle
RNH
Oilers 2 round pick

Staal
Faulk

Salaries work. Carolina gets more scoring. Oilers get the D and 2nd line centre (that can win faceoffs) that they need.

Any Carolina fans care to weigh in?

 

[tempest2i]

Eberle is the perfect buy low candidate right now. His shooting percentage will rebound next season and he'll have extra motivation knowing his next contract is just around the corner.

The Oilers are going to get hosed in this deal, I can just feel it.

 

[Homesick]

Imo, if Eberle could land Hamonic, that trade would have happened last summer. He's done nothing to add to his value in the meantime.
I don't think they can bring him back to that locker room wearing the A after that playoff performance. So the good news is we're likely to find out who is right about trade value.

What exactly has Hamonic done? His season was far worse than Eberle's but Eberle is being crucified for 13 games

 

[LTIR]

Imo, if Eberle could land Hamonic, that trade would have happened last summer. He's done nothing to add to his value in the meantime.
I don't think they can bring him back to that locker room wearing the A after that playoff performance. So the good news is we're likely to find out who is right about trade value.

Eberle doesnt get Edmonton Hamonic but a lot has changed since last summer:

- looming expansion draft
- Tavares a year away from UFA and NYI desperate for offense
- Oilers a playoffs team ...NYI not so much
- Eberle got better defensively and still manages 20G 50pts
- Hamonic sucked
- Oilers acquired Larsson(RD), Benning(RD) and Russell(plays RD)


As for the A on his jersey... If RNH and Lucic get to keep theirs then so could Eberle.

 

[LTIR]

blockbuster with Carolina

Eberle
RNH
Oilers 2 round pick

Staal
Faulk

Salaries work. Carolina gets more scoring. Oilers get the D and 2nd line centre (that can win faceoffs) that they need.

Any Carolina fans care to weigh in?

CAR fans would say "something something Draisaitl something something Puljujarvi"
This would be brutal for CAR..

Add Puljujarvi + 2017 1st and you may have something..

 

[Mr Sakich]

Eberle is the perfect buy low candidate right now. His shooting percentage will rebound next season and he'll have extra motivation knowing his next contract is just around the corner.

The Oilers are going to get hosed in this deal, I can just feel it.

I agree with the first part but will hold off on the 2nd. Chia is building a team. Sometimes trading the better player makes your overall team better.

Eberle will probably have a very good year with his new team. Like Hall, Oiler fans would rather look at the big picture and accept making the playoffs vs having Hall and Eberle's skill.