Value of: DeAngelo

[780il]

I keep saying that something around DeAngelo for RNH makes a lot of sense. The issue is that I think the Rangers have to add to DeAngelo, and ideally add a center, to make that deal work and I'm just not sure what center they have that the Oilers would want.

Maybe DeAngelo and Chytil or Georgiyev for RNH?

It definitely doesn’t. We can’t trade one of four actual skilled forwards we have for a defender that doesn’t defend...

 

[Unbiased Fan]

ADA + Buch + Geo

Nylander + 1st

I hope that’s not Willam because ADA is the exact opposite of the big Physical PKing shut down dman the leafs need. He has negative value to the leafs. I’d rather have Mark Staal. DeAngelo couldn’t shut down a line if his mother’s Life depended on it

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Why would you trade a 24 yr old rhd who just put up 50 pts in a short season for RNH?

Because the 24 year old RHD isn’t a good dman if he didn’t put up any points he’d have negative value. Deffensman are supposed to be able to defend.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

If the Rags decided to move him, I could see him going to Toronto with a + for Nylander.

Ohh really? So he is the the big Physical dman who gets zero offensive zone starts and drives a PK to be elite that the leafs need? I didn’t know that. Let’s see how DeAngelo would do with zero PP time and no offensive zone starts. He’s the last dman the leafs need.

 

[SML2]

Because the 24 year old RHD isn’t a good dman if he didn’t put up any points he’d have negative value. Deffensman are supposed to be able to defend.

I am well aware of his faults. If you go back two years, I am saying all the same things about him. I was firmly camp Pionk and waged war against all who stood in camp ADA. He changed my mind and I will tell you, that rarely happens. For you to say if he didn't put up points he would have negative value is a ridiculous argument. The fact is that he does put up points. Quite a few by today's standard. So no, he's not Larry Robinson. He's a classic risk/reward offensive defenseman. He's going to cost you goals, but you bet that over the the long run, he gets you more than he costs you. The only time you lose for sure with a guy like this is if you get all butt hurt when he screws up and bench him. You have to give him a chance to get it back for you. Guys with his talent aren't exactly a dime a dozen these days.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Look, I'm a DeAngelo fan and have been since he was in JRs, he had a great year this year. It's not just the points with him, he individually creates dangerous chances for himself and others. But yeah, his D is below par. And if NYR are going to deal him because they are convinced that Nils can replace him and they can add to another part of the team, that's fine.

But understand: You aren't just trading a 50-60 pt talented D. You are also trading a below par defensive D who 3 teams would now have decided they didn't want. Other teams are going to factor that in, fair or not, and that's going to affect his value. So Rangers will have to decide do we still want to trade him when the return may be less than we hope for, because some of the asks by some Rangers fans just aren't realistic given the whole picture.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

People need to stop acting like his 64 point pace is a normality. 1 year ago Erik Gustafsson did almost the exact same thing with a 60 point season, 2 years ago it was Shayne Gostisbehere's turn, where he put up 65 points in 78 games. I'm not saying hes bad but powerplay specialists are not top pairing guys around the league.

 

[5cotland]

Ohh really? So he is the the big Physical dman who gets zero offensive zone starts and drives a PK to be elite that the leafs need? I didn’t know that. Let’s see how DeAngelo would do with zero PP time and no offensive zone starts. He’s the last dman the leafs need.

DeAngelo had the 3rd most points among Dmen at 5v5.

65% of his points were from 5v5 which is proof he doesn't rely on the PP to get his points. He also has the 2nd highest shot % amongst dmen with him scoring from over 10% of his shots.

No matter what you try and claim, once again your dislike for NYR and certain players clouds your judgement with inaccurate information.

However, NYR should not trade DeAngelo. He has elite offensive potential and his defence is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

NYR was the number 1 team in the league for points from the blue line and DeAngelo lead in those points.

Sign him up Gorton and pay the man!

 

[SML2]

I just wish he would not draw so much attention to himself. A podcast? Yikes. That's a tightrope these days for normal guys, even moreso with him. It reminds me of Casino when they tell Sam Rothstein he has to lay low and the guy starts up his own talk show instead. Can Tony juggle?

 

[5cotland]

People need to stop acting like his 64 point pace is a normality. 1 year ago Erik Gustafsson did almost the exact same thing with a 60 point season, 2 years ago it was Shayne Gostisbehere's turn, where he put up 65 points in 78 games. I'm not saying hes bad but powerplay specialists are not top pairing guys around the league.

He is not a PP specialist. Only 35% of his points came from the PP.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

He is not a PP specialist. Only 35% of his points came from the PP.

And 30% of Gustafsson's points were on the powerplay last year, does that make him any less of a powerplay specialist? 30-35% is around the ballpark for and OFD pp specialist

 

[bernmeister]

Again, Parayko/McAvoy types are not available.

Deangelo is likely highest quality D available [odd exception, like APietrangleo on ufa nothwithstanding]

 

[Unbiased Fan]

I am well aware of his faults. If you go back two years, I am saying all the same things about him. I was firmly camp Pionk and waged war against all who stood in camp ADA. He changed my mind and I will tell you, that rarely happens. For you to say if he didn't put up points he would have negative value is a ridiculous argument. The fact is that he does put up points. Quite a few by today's standard. So no, he's not Larry Robinson. He's a classic risk/reward offensive defenseman. He's going to cost you goals, but you bet that over the the long run, he gets you more than he costs you. The only time you lose for sure with a guy like this is if you get all butt hurt when he screws up and bench him. You have to give him a chance to get it back for you. Guys with his talent aren't exactly a dime a dozen these days.

Lots of teams he would do good on and off the top of my head the oilers, Coyotes and Canadians seem like 2 teams but it’s irritating seeing him proposed to teams like the leafs who have an abundance of offensive dman. Players like him only have value to selective teams imo.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

DeAngelo had the 3rd most points among Dmen at 5v5.

65% of his points were from 5v5 which is proof he doesn't rely on the PP to get his points. He also has the 2nd highest shot % amongst dmen with him scoring from over 10% of his shots.

No matter what you try and claim, once again your dislike for NYR and certain players clouds your judgement with inaccurate information.

However, NYR should not trade DeAngelo. He has elite offensive potential and his defence is nowhere near as bad as people make out.

NYR was the number 1 team in the league for points from the blue line and DeAngelo lead in those points.

Sign him up Gorton and pay the man!

All that is great but the leafs don’t need to score more goals...,.he holds no value to them.

 

[MisterT]

ADA + Buch + Geo

Nylander + 1st

Woof. Wouldn’t want ADA for free.

 

[Kupo]

 

[5cotland]

All that is great but the leafs don’t need to score more goals...,.he holds no value to them.

Well maybe if you did score more goals, you might make it past the first round.

 

[bernmeister]

Math does not lie.
Somethings are open to interpretation.
It is fair to ask how a player fits both in where they are/are going.

But that said, quality is quality
numbers verify that.

thank you @Kupo

ps we are EVENTUALLY only selling high on Deangelo due to exp dr, cap mgmt, and reality we have star in Nils L so we can go there.
Do not need to do this immediately, but the right deal, don't delay, esp if it may involve a 2020 1st.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Don’t count on it.

Nobody has that space. More likely 5-6 is what he gets.

When you are completely and utterly wrong you going to come back and admit it?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

It definitely doesn’t. We can’t trade one of four actual skilled forwards we have for a defender that doesn’t defend...

I don't understand why people have so much trouble understanding this.

RNH is not for sale. At all. To anyone. We want to keep him long term and he's never given us any indication that he doesn't want to be here long term.

DeAngelo does nothing for us. "Buh he can QB a powerplay" is literally the worst selling feature of all time - and he's almost definitely not shooting 10% ever again.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Something built around Klefbom?

I sincerely doubt Edmonton is moving a guy that plays 25 minutes on the top pairing for them for a guy that - by Ranger fans own admission - is best used on the third pairing at even strength.

Add in the fact that Klefbom's deal is incredibly good and that doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Djp]

When you are completely and utterly wrong you going to come back and admit it?

anybody giving him $8m+ on a long contract will buy him out in 4,

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

anybody giving him $8m+ on a long contract will buy him out in 4,

So you are changing your story when you are called out for being illogical. Got it.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't understand why people have so much trouble understanding this.

RNH is not for sale. At all. To anyone. We want to keep him long term and he's never given us any indication that he doesn't want to be here long term.

DeAngelo does nothing for us. "Buh he can QB a powerplay" is literally the worst selling feature of all time - and he's almost definitely not shooting 10% ever again.

You and I agree.
RNH is likely not available to anyone barring signif overpay, which is not expected. Not surprised if he retires in EDM

Deangelo at present is not a fit for Oil.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Look, I'm a DeAngelo fan and have been since he was in JRs, he had a great year this year. It's not just the points with him, he individually creates dangerous chances for himself and others. But yeah, his D is below par. And if NYR are going to deal him because they are convinced that Nils can replace him and they can add to another part of the team, that's fine.

But understand: You aren't just trading a 50-60 pt talented D. You are also trading a below par defensive D who 3 teams would now have decided they didn't want. Other teams are going to factor that in, fair or not, and that's going to affect his value. So Rangers will have to decide do we still want to trade him when the return may be less than we hope for, because some of the asks by some Rangers fans just aren't realistic given the whole picture.

I understand your point and don’t even disagree, but if we are taking only his points into account, he’d go for a lot more than a player like Nylander.