Proposal: Dallas-Boston

[Montecristo]

Is Jakub Lauko a top 6 can't miss prospect? Otherwise, I can't fathom some of these comments as if Pavelski isn't easily worth a late 1st and Jakub 'inconsistent' Debrusk.

no his ceiling is a middle 6 high octane forward in the same category as a michael grabner type with a little more edge to his game. But he profiles as a 3rd line guy if it pans out

 

[Montecristo]

This has to be the most lopsided proposal I’ve yet encountered. I’ve heard of hometown inflation ... but wow.

Edit: just realized most of your recent activity has been in Boston topics. Don’t know why you value JP so highly / your own assets so lowly. Dallas would be fleecing you there — even if JP weren’t on the wrong side of 30.

Do you think pavelski is not really good?

 

[CasusBelli]

Do you think pavelski is not really good?

He’s a good player with a few more years left. Who knows how many of them will be good. For that reason alone I’d hesitate to trade for him — unless at a steep discount — regardless of his recent performance (which is backward looking).

But different “managers” (if we can call ourselves that for the sake of argument) have different valuation schemes and priorities. As a rule of thumb, I start applying a discount to players once they hit 30, a moderate discount at 32 and a heavy discount at 34.

 

[Montecristo]

He’s a good player with a few more years left. Who knows how many of them will be good. For that reason alone I’d hesitate to trade for him — unless at a steep discount — regardless of his recent performance (which is backward looking).

But different “managers” (if we can call ourselves that for the sake of argument) have different valuation schemes and priorities. As a rule of thumb, I start applying a discount to players once they hit 30, a moderate discount at 32 and a heavy discount at 34.

why? What if your plan is to win the cup in the next 2 years before ripping your team to the studs? Still heavily discounting a 34 year old then?

 

[wintersej]

Do you think pavelski is not really good?

he is possibly the best guy in the league at tipping shots for goals. He would be an upgrade in Ritchie as the net front on PP1, but that’s not what the Bruins need.

 

[CasusBelli]

why? What if your plan is to win the cup in the next 2 years before ripping your team to the studs? Still heavily discounting a 34 year old then?

I just think you’re grossly overpaying and will rue the trade in three years.

 

[ON3M4N]

Tentative yes from this Stars fan.....I do like DeBrusk, no clue who Lauko is though. Seems like he's doing ok in the AHL so far.

If the Stars keep trending upwards and make a late push then I doubt Pavs gets shopped, but if they start to plummet again I would hope that Jim Nill would fish around for the best possible landing spots.

He's never really been one to hoard draft picks though.....can't remember the last time Dallas traded for a first round pick.

History of NHL trades by the Dallas Stars - NHL Trade Tracker

2004.

2004 was the last time Dallas acquired another team's 1st round pick in a trade.

That's insane.

As a Bruins fan, Lauko is a sleeper prospects. Got good wheels, hands and is a puck hound at both ends of the ice. Needs time to develop but at worst should be a 4th line energy guy, but I think he ends up more of a 3rd liner that can play 2nd line in emergency.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He's been there leading goal scorer since he arrived.
And according to the broadcasting crew I was watching leads them in a few other O categories as well

He didn't lead them in any single category last regular season? 6th goals and 7th in points...

 

[nbwingsfan]

He outscored debrusk 50-39

Ummm no... 31 to 39 in the regular season.

 

[Faltorvo]

What is the motivation for Dallas to deal him with this soft offer?

it's not like Pav is a pending UFA and Dallas is still in the hunt for a PO spot

Dallas moves their top point producer and that is telling the team

this season is already over.

 

[Faltorvo]

He’s a good player with a few more years left. Who knows how many of them will be good. For that reason alone I’d hesitate to trade for him — unless at a steep discount — regardless of his recent performance (which is backward looking).

But different “managers” (if we can call ourselves that for the sake of argument) have different valuation schemes and priorities. As a rule of thumb, I start applying a discount to players once they hit 30, a moderate discount at 32 and a heavy discount at 34.

here's the thing,,,,, Pav produced last season and is super producing this season

i see the motivation from Bostons end,,their clock is ticking,that window is closing fast

can someone tell me what Dallas have for a motivation to move him now?

 

[Kcb12345]

Don't see how this is as much of an overpayment as some people are saying. This is what it would take. Maybe replace DeBrusk with a prospect if it's really that bad but this is about right. Pavelski would make any team better that he goes too and would be one of their best playoff performers.

 

[Groo]

He didn't lead them in any single category last regular season? 6th goals and 7th in points...

They put up a list of what he's done since signing in Dallas and where it ratedon the team
1st came up the most of those 5 0r 6 categories shown. And he wasn't
far down the list on those he did not sit atop

 

[Unspecified]

Not to mention Pavelski would 2nd on Boston in scoring.

 

[Montecristo]

I just think you’re grossly overpaying and will rue the trade in three years.

not if it brings boston a cup. I dont rue the kessel for kaberle trade. I dont rue the wheeler for peverley trade

 

[Montecristo]

Ummm no... 31 to 39 in the regular season.

oh i counted the playoffs where it is even more important

 

[Montecristo]

he is possibly the best guy in the league at tipping shots for goals. He would be an upgrade in Ritchie as the net front on PP1, but that’s not what the Bruins need.

he has 10 even strength points this year which would place him 4th among bruins forwards.

 

[nbwingsfan]

They put up a list of what he's done since signing in Dallas and where it ratedon the team
1st came up the most of those 5 0r 6 categories shown. And he wasn't
far down the list on those he did not sit atop

Dude just look on DB... He hasnt been their "best player since he got there". He was a huge letdown last season but has been great so far this season.

 

[nbwingsfan]

oh i counted the playoffs where it is even more important

Who includes playoffs especially when one guy played substantially more games? Not how that works.

 

[Groo]

Dude just look on DB... He hasnt been their "best player since he got there". He was a huge letdown last season but has been great so far this season.

Pfft. I know what I saw during the Stars game. Can't see why they'd bother to first produce and then air something that wasn't accurate.

 

[Unspecified]

Dude just look on DB... He hasnt been their "best player since he got there". He was a huge letdown last season but has been great so far this season.

To be fair almost the entire team was a let down last year during the regular season.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Pfft. I know what I saw during the Stars game. Can't see why they'd bother to first produce and then air something that wasn't accurate.

I mean youre debating facts here...

Last season in the regular season he was 6th in goals and 7th in points. How was he their best player?

 

[Montecristo]

Who includes playoffs especially when one guy played substantially more games? Not how that works.

i count the playoffs. Maybe boston would have played substantially more games if pavelski was playing for them

 

[Groo]

I mean youre debating facts here...

Last season in the regular season he was 6th in goals and 7th in points. How was he their best player?

Go argue with the boys in the production van. They did say since he got there.
You're not leaving out the post season are you?

 

[BeaverSports]

I think that's probably more than Boston is willing to pay given Pavelski's age and I'm fine with that because I still have some hope of Dallas turning it around this year and he has been tremendous. That said, I could see DeBrusk helping Dallas if there's a fit otherwise.