Rumor: Chris Johnston: Some believe Toronto is the front runner for Ben Chiarot.

[rangersfansince08]

Is Nemeth worth a 1st? Not sure Chiarot is even better than him. He is absolute junk. The epitome of a pylon.

 

[lamp9post]

Giordano could be another Folingo. I am/was a fan of both but not so sure Giordano skating/age/mileage can keep up on a deep run. We will see cause he is going to get traded and be in the playoffs. Hasn't played a full season and playoffs since 18/19. 60% D zone starts with 43% corsi.

You have more faith in the 38 year old than I do but I honestly, I do think Giordano will get traded for cheaper than Chiarot.

I think so too. We have to remember that Giordano has a $6.75M cap hit, which, even at 50%, will be difficult for many capped-out contenders to accommodate. I just think there's a bigger market for Chiarot, which will likely be reflected in their respective returns.

 

[lamp9post]

Do you have an issue reading? No team that is a contender is looking to acquire Chiarot to play 23 minutes a night. The reason teams are contenders is because they don’t have dmen like Chiarot playing on there team, and if they had such players they wouldn’t be contenders. Do you really think Tampa Bay or Florida or Carolina is thinking…damn once we get Ben Chiarot we are going to throw him out there on the PK for 3 minutes a night so we can get our PK% down from 88.9% to closer to 73% like Montreal’s? What the hell have you been smoking to list that as a positive? E

As for comparing Chiarot to Ekbald, Trouba, Klingberg, provorov….there is no world where Chiarot belongs in the same breath as those player when taking skill. There is a reason Ekblad has earned $81 million over his career (and he is only 26), Trouba $43m at 27, Klingberg $31m at 28 (and about to get a hefty raise), And Provirov $20 million and he just turned 25……while Chiarot who is about to be 31 has made $15 mill, for almost double the earning period.

really you are embarrassing yourself with your posts. But if you want to “play another game” I am ready for it. Just make sure you bring facts that actually mean something next time, cause this is too easy. Maybe use emojis again, cartoons bring up at least a entertainment value to your many posts, that the content you write lacks.

Wow, that first paragraph is a master class in faulty logic. Are you really suggesting that a team with a Chiarot 'type' (lets say) on their roster is incapable of contending? You realize that he was a key player on a team that went to the finals last year, right?

Also didn't know that Montreal's poor PK was 100% on Ben Chiarot.

 

[Rob Sense]

Is Nemeth worth a 1st? Not sure Chiarot is even better than him. He is absolute junk. The epitome of a pylon.

Nemeth cannot tie Chiarot's skate laces. Some people just don't know hockey.

 

[Kimota]

This narrative is so weak.

The soft forwards on the Leafs were totally overpowered by Montreal's physical defense. They got zero work done on the forecheck. I think Marner had more delay of game penalties for throwing the puck over the glass under pressure than he had shots on net

Yea Marner made many gifts in his pants.

 

[Brixton]

Wow, that first paragraph is a master class in faulty logic. Are you really suggesting that a team with a Chiarot 'type' (lets say) on their roster is incapable of contending? You realize that he was a key player on a team that went to the finals last year, right?

Also didn't know that Montreal's poor PK was 100% on Ben Chiarot.

You should really take a masterclass on reading and comprehension cause it is obvious you haven’t read any posts that make up the conversation, or you don’t have the ability to comprhend what the content is.

The argument was made that teams need Chiarot because he can play 23 minutes a night, and on top of that he plays 3 minutes a night on the PK. My point was that no team that is a contender is going to trade for Chiarot to play 23 minutes a night. Contenders that are top teams aren’t going to sit the guys that made them contenders (like a Hedman or Ekblad) to slot Chiarot in to those minutes. No GM is thinking let’s get Chiarot and play him 23 minutes…so that is not a selling point for him. He plays 3 minutes a night on the PK and they are putting up close to the worse PK% in the NHL. No one is going to slot Chiarot on their PK when teams like TB and Florida already have players PKing at 89%…so not a selling point for Chiarot. Besides that go look at the statistic I posted related to Chiarot. He has pulled down the numbers of EVERY partner he has played with in the last 5 years, and that includes Mete and scandella who Habs fans are saying is the crappy player.

maybe try going back and reading next time. Jumping in the middle and only reading half a page of posts and reacting to that is embarrassing for you.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Do you think the GM's who are interested in Chiarot are ignorant to whatever stat you are trying to cherry pick? Like they are are overlooking it and you are not? I find that hard to believe.

Coaches and GM's are blind to this.... "Just about every measurable statistic" . Just about eh?

Can you find a positive one? I’ll wait.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Nemeth cannot tie Chiarot's skate laces. Some people just don't know hockey.

Pretty obvious when reading most posts from Montreal fans regarding their pylon.

 

[lamp9post]

You should really take a masterclass on reading and comprehension cause it is obvious you haven’t read any posts that make up the conversation, or you don’t have the ability to comprhend what the content is.

The argument was made that teams need Chiarot because he can play 23 minutes a night, and on top of that he plays 3 minutes a night on the PK. My point was that no team that is a contender is going to trade for Chiarot to play 23 minutes a night. Contenders that are top teams aren’t going to sit the guys that made them contenders (like a Hedman or Ekblad) to slot Chiarot in to those minutes. No GM is thinking let’s get Chiarot and play him 23 minutes…so that is not a selling point for him. He plays 3 minutes a night on the PK and they are putting up close to the worse PK% in the NHL. No one is going to slot Chiarot on their PK when teams like TB and Florida already have players PKing at 89%…so not a selling point for Chiarot. Besides that go look at the statistic I posted related to Chiarot. He has pulled down the numbers of EVERY partner he has played with in the last 5 years, and that includes Mete and scandella who Habs fans are saying is the crappy player.

maybe try going back and reading next time. Jumping in the middle and only reading half a page of posts and reacting to that is embarrassing for you.

Oh, I get it. You found some unfavourable Corsi stats (I agree they are unfavourable) and are using that singular data point, without considering relevant context, to "prove" outlandish claims that Chiarot could not possibly help a contender "for any price" and that the acquiring GM "should be fired on the spot". We'll have to agree to disagree. The fact that he was a significant contributor to a team that went to the finals last year is evidence enough against your position.

Look, no one is saying guys like Hedman or Ekblad should sit in favour of Chiarot, I don't know where you're coming from with that nonsense. And if you value Corsi to the point where you conclude that Scandella and Mete were more effective players for the habs then Chiarot, you need to broaden your evaluation criteria and consider sample sizes. If you look at usage and quality of competition, it might give you a clue as to why playoff teams are more interested in acquiring Ben Chiarot than Victor Mete.

If Chiarot either a) does not get traded, or b) gets traded but the acquiring team GM is immediately fired for doing so, I'll take your posts more seriously in the future.

 

[FrankMTL]

I can't wait for him to be traded (to whoever and for whatever), so we can end these debates.

 

[smirob]

I don't think Toronto would pay the price I'd expect...but their current defence is in dire need of a Chairot type for the playoffs.
I'd prefer its not TOR as a habs fan however.

 

[The90]

I don't think Toronto would pay the price I'd expect...but their current defence is in dire need of a Chairot type for the playoffs.
I'd prefer its not TOR as a habs fan however.

You mean like the guy they just traded for? A bottom pairing guy that finishes his checks?

 

[The90]

Oh, I get it. You found some unfavourable Corsi stats (I agree they are unfavourable) and are using that singular data point, without considering relevant context, to "prove" outlandish claims that Chiarot could not possibly help a contender "for any price" and that the acquiring GM "should be fired on the spot". We'll have to agree to disagree. The fact that he was a significant contributor to a team that went to the finals last year is evidence enough against your position.

Look, no one is saying guys like Hedman or Ekblad should sit in favour of Chiarot, I don't know where you're coming from with that nonsense. And if you value Corsi to the point where you conclude that Scandella and Mete were more effective players for the habs then Chiarot, you need to broaden your evaluation criteria and consider sample sizes. If you look at usage and quality of competition, it might give you a clue as to why playoff teams are more interested in acquiring Ben Chiarot than Victor Mete.

If Chiarot either a) does not get traded, or b) gets traded but the acquiring team GM is immediately fired for doing so, I'll take your posts more seriously in the future.

Go look at his original post that shows all the work he put in. He wasn’t trying to be an a hole. The data is all there, he didn’t cherry pick any stats.

 

[Colezuki]

Go look at his original post that shows all the work he put in. He wasn’t trying to be an a hole. The data is all there, he didn’t cherry pick any stats.

What does that say about leafs forwards that they struggled to score in the playoffs against that bottom pairing defensman

 

[lamp9post]

Go look at his original post that shows all the work he put in. He wasn’t trying to be an a hole. The data is all there, he didn’t cherry pick any stats.

The one that showed how every player Chiarot played with had a worse Corsi with him than without? I didn't see any mention of usage or quality of competition in that post. The only stat referenced as far as I could tell was Corsi. Maybe I missed it.

Regardless, the data don't support the conclusions. Do you think Chiarot could not possibly help a playoff team at any cost? Do you believe a GM would be fired if he traded for Chiarot? Do you believe teams with a Chiarot 'type' on the roster could not possibly contend?

 

[The90]

What does that say about leafs forwards that they struggled to score in the playoffs against that bottom pairing defensman

That Carey Price was unreal in games 5/6/7?

 

[The90]

The one that showed how every player Chiarot played with had a worse Corsi with him than without? I didn't see any mention of usage or quality of competition in that post. The only stat referenced as far as I could tell was Corsi. Maybe I missed it.

Regardless, the data don't support the conclusions. Do you think Chiarot could not possibly help a playoff team at any cost? Do you believe a GM would be fired if he traded for Chiarot? Do you believe teams with a Chiarot 'type' on the roster could not possibly contend?

I believe he’s not worth a first. I also believe usage, minutes etc etc etc can all be taken from who he played with. You don’t get to brush under the rug that every single d partner had a drop in production when paired with Chiarot because it’s inconvenient to your argument. That’s not how that works.

 

[smirob]

You mean like the guy they just traded for? A bottom pairing guy that finishes his checks?

Yeah you're right - they're set for playoffs!
If you think that A: Chiarot is a bottom pairing dman and B: Lubushkin (sp) is equivalent at this point in his career, you are wrong on both.

Gloat - Fail - Repeat

 

[The90]

Yeah you're right - they're set for playoffs!
If you think that A: Chiarot is a bottom pairing dman and B: Lubushkin (sp) is equivalent at this point in his career, you are wrong on both.

Gloat - Fail - Repeat

I’m not gloating about anything. But the price on lybushkin is preferable to chiarot to play the same role. I also never said they were set for the playoffs, nor that they’re equivalent. Don’t make shit up.

 

[smirob]

You mean like the guy they just traded for? A bottom pairing guy that finishes his checks?

I’m not gloating about anything. But the price on lybushkin is preferable to chiarot to play the same role. I also never said they were set for the playoffs, nor that they’re equivalent. Don’t make shit up.

Words

 

[Scintillating10]

I can't wait for him to be traded (to whoever and for whatever), so we can end these debates.

It will go down to last minute

 

[The90]

Words

Yes ‘words’ are apparently hard.

Similar and the same aren’t the same thing big guy. Nice try though. ‘Like’ ≠ Equivalent.

 

[Brixton]

Oh, I get it. You found some unfavourable Corsi stats (I agree they are unfavourable) and are using that singular data point, without considering relevant context, to "prove" outlandish claims that Chiarot could not possibly help a contender "for any price" and that the acquiring GM "should be fired on the spot". We'll have to agree to disagree. The fact that he was a significant contributor to a team that went to the finals last year is evidence enough against your position.

Look, no one is saying guys like Hedman or Ekblad should sit in favour of Chiarot, I don't know where you're coming from with that nonsense. And if you value Corsi to the point where you conclude that Scandella and Mete were more effective players for the habs then Chiarot, you need to broaden your evaluation criteria and consider sample sizes. If you look at usage and quality of competition, it might give you a clue as to why playoff teams are more interested in acquiring Ben Chiarot than Victor Mete.

If Chiarot either a) does not get traded, or b) gets traded but the acquiring team GM is immediately fired for doing so, I'll take your posts more seriously in the future.

You really have to learn to read and follow the conversation. Otherwise you look really stupid commenting on things that have been gone over and over and over and over again and again (thanks to the poster I was responding to just wants to keep moving the goalposts of his arguments to try to come up with why Chiarot is so good and deserves a 1st). We have covered all that stuff previously. Chiarot is not good, has been protected by playing with elite dman like buff and Chiarot his entire career, has terrible corsi number, brings down EVERY parrner he has ever played with etc. His last argument was that teams want him cause he plays 23 minutes a night, and plays PK minutes. My point was no contender is looking to trade for a guy to come in and play 23 minutes a night for them because they have dmen that made them contenders. They are also not looking for a guy that plays 3 minutes a night PKing when the the job he is doing one of the worst in the league, and 15% lower than contenders ratings.

So you are Welcome you now have the coles notes version and almost caught up. For all the rest go back and read the posts like I told you to do in the first place. I have better things to do than save you time from making your posts look ignorant.

 

[Siludin]

Do you have an issue reading? No team that is a contender is looking to acquire Chiarot to play 23 minutes a night. The reason teams are contenders is because they don’t have dmen like Chiarot playing on there team, and if they had such players they wouldn’t be contenders. Do you really think Tampa Bay or Florida or Carolina is thinking…damn once we get Ben Chiarot we are going to throw him out there on the PK for 3 minutes a night so we can get our PK% down from 88.9% to closer to 73% like Montreal’s? What the hell have you been smoking to list that as a positive? E

As for comparing Chiarot to Ekbald, Trouba, Klingberg, provorov….there is no world where Chiarot belongs in the same breath as those player when taking skill. There is a reason Ekblad has earned $81 million over his career (and he is only 26), Trouba $43m at 27, Klingberg $31m at 28 (and about to get a hefty raise), And Provirov $20 million and he just turned 25……while Chiarot who is about to be 31 has made $15 mill, for almost double the earning period.

really you are embarrassing yourself with your posts. But if you want to “play another game” I am ready for it. Just make sure you bring facts that actually mean something next time, cause this is too easy. Maybe use emojis again, cartoons bring up at least a entertainment value to your many posts, that the content you write lacks.

Hmm what about Tampa with Luke Schenn?
Calgary making good use of Gudbranson this year?
Scott Mayfield for the Islanders?
Jamie Oleksiak looked good when Dallas went to the finals.
Brandon Carlo same story with Boston.
You gotta do some research!

 

[Siludin]

The argument was made that teams need Chiarot because he can play 23 minutes a night, and on top of that he plays 3 minutes a night on the PK. My point was that no team that is a contender is going to trade for Chiarot to play 23 minutes a night. Contenders that are top teams aren’t going to sit the guys that made them contenders (like a Hedman or Ekblad) to slot Chiarot in to those minutes. No GM is thinking let’s get Chiarot and play him 23 minutes…so that is not a selling point for him. He plays 3 minutes a night on the PK and they are putting up close to the worse PK% in the NHL. No one is going to slot Chiarot on their PK when teams like TB and Florida already have players PKing at 89%…so not a selling point for Chiarot. Besides that go look at the statistic I posted related to Chiarot. He has pulled down the numbers of EVERY partner he has played with in the last 5 years, and that includes Mete and scandella who Habs fans are saying is the crappy player.

At the deadline, contending teams might trade for a player who offers positional contingency or to cover for existing injuries. Ekblad was injured down the stretch and for the playoffs last year, so Florida may want to shore up a position which is critical to their success, even if they end up underplaying and overpaying for that player, because some teams are only lucky enough to contend every couple of decades.