Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/VAN] Vanek for Jussi Jokinen, Tyler Motte

[stampedingviking]

I think for both countries hes just such an idiot and has made fans who hate the Canucks feel pity for us. How can a team sink any lower? I couldnt even watch the game last night Im really not sure how much more i can watch til hes fired

Bye!

 

[M2Beezy]

Bye!

Morning Flames fan

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

I like this pickup for the BJs - I like their deadline acquisitions.

If I was a Canucks fan I would have wanted a pick as well.

 

[Son of Petter]

Is this the most Benning trade that ever Benning'd? Or is that the Gudbranson trade?

 

[Kington91]

Motte has a lot of potential, it’s obvious most of you haven’t watched him. I don’t mind this return at all especially if that was the best offer

Yeah.... no....

Watched every game of his with the CBJ.

 

[innitfam]

Question is will Jokinen play for the Canucks and get waived again, playing for a record 5th team in one season?

 

[PetterssonSimp]

The Benning apologists and kool-aid drinkers in this thread is unbearable. Like living in their own little world where reality is fantasy!
Motte has similar AHL production as Jake Virtanen, he’s also older and now on his 3rd team after not being able to garner enough interest from his coaches for even a depth position on two teams that have jettisoned their bottom 6 each of the past 2 off seasons deeming him expendable from their roster rather than worth keeping.
To those saying “we actually cut salary” when you defend taking Jokinen, consider the fact that you cut ALL OF VANEK’s salary in a trade strictly for a draft pick, which is gonna cover more than the 900k ya’ll be spewing!
To those who have said “Motte is worth 4th, so it’s like getting a pick you don’t need to draft with” well no he isn’t, teams pay other teams to take cap dumps, if Motte is worth anything, it’s more along the lines of a 6th considering the Canucks had to eat a contract just to make the deal!

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Is this the most Benning trade that ever Benning'd? Or is that the Gudbranson trade?

It all starts with Sutter! The decline in this team begins there and everything can be tracked to overpaying with a better player and then doubling down with the big load in your pants by hitting up Taco Bell for lunch when he signed Sutter to an extension without ever playing a game for Vancouver.
Basically the mantra hasn’t changed, target age gap players who are expendable by good teams, tout lesser players as foundational and say the goal is to compete for the playoffs while placing 28th, 3 times in a row.

 

[Legionnaire]

What a Vancouver thing to do. Make a trade for a guy that's been on waivers 15 times this year.

Isn't he still on the Kings?!?

 

[Lenerdosy]

Question is will Jokinen play for the Canucks and get waived again, playing for a record 5th team in one season?

Only if injuries hit and we run out of AHL call ups.

 

[Siludin]

2. Upside? It is possible, but imo most forwards are showing by the age of 22 and almost 23 what sort of peak they may have. He hasn't shown an NHL scoring touch at all nor has he shown an ability to be a playmaker at the NHL level. His possession stats are dreadful, his scoring production next to nil. Sure, it's possible he'll blossom, but he hasn't been showing signs of it at all..

This is only true of forwards who have played 2-3 seasons in the NHL by that time. Forwards who are just breaking into the NHL at 22-25 still have a year or two to show their promise. Examples include Michael Grabner, Tyler Bozak, Zach Hyman, Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg, Jaden Schwartz, Anders Lee, Miles Wood, and pretty much anyone who has played 3-4 years of college.

 

[tylerjohnson2626]

Canucks are the worst run franchise by a country mile.

Is that right? hmmm

 

[me2]

Is this the most Benning trade that ever Benning'd? Or is that the Gudbranson trade?

Hard to say, there are so many candidates.

Bonino trade. Ducks gave Perrault away for nothing but Benning really wanted Bonino, good goal scorer, good playmaker, why take futures and Perrault when you can set yourself up with a smart 20+ goalscoring 2C. 10 months later lindenning are saying "bad hands, bad wheels, bad vision and no use for a playoff team. They got rid of him. Bonino then plays 3C on back to back cups teams.

 

[57special]

Don't see Vanek being a Torts sort of guy, but necessity can make for strange bedfellows.

 

[Canucks1096]

Knowing Benning, probably.

Not sure what makes you think Vanek is worth a 1st.

 

[CBJx614]

Don't see Vanek being a Torts sort of guy, but necessity can make for strange bedfellows.

While Torts will still want him to play a two way game, the jackets have more than enough skilled two way players who can help make up for his defensive defencies.

 

[StreetHawk]

Don't see Vanek being a Torts sort of guy, but necessity can make for strange bedfellows.

Think one of the radio shows yesterday mentioned that mike rupp put out a tweet about wanting vanek micd to hear his interaction with torts. Gaborik followed suit.

NHLers know their colleagues.

 

[ShelbyZ]

Yes that’s why I said mcilrath is comparable to motte rather than Jokinen. 2 years older is a lot closer than 9 years older. Not only that Jokinen is 34 making 1.1M which means even in the ahl, 75k goes against the cap. Mcilrath at the time was making 650k.

Jokinen was a pure cap dump. Just like how Detroit held a prorated amount of 1.25M on Vanek.

McIlrath was actually at $800k on a 1-way contract for Florida last season. Prorated they still owed him around $200k in actual salary before the trade.

A 50% retained Vanek added a prorated around $325k to the Panthers cap, but with McIlraths deal thrown in, adding Vanek only really cost them an extra $125k in actual salary for the rest of the year.

So it ended up being a conditional 3rd and some playoff help for Grand Rapids for a $125k Vanek.

 

[AvatarAang]

Not sure what makes you think Vanek is worth a 1st.

He wasn't worth a 1st but I find it hard to believe there wasn't some point this season Vanek wasn't worth a draft pick.

The fact that Benning couldn't get a pick means he misjudged the market, waited too long etc.

He's an incompetent GM that is living off the Boeser selection, and has done not much else to improve the Canucks.

Bad time to be a nucks fan, at least you're still guaranteed a top selection year after year, that will help.

 

[THE Green Man]

He wasn't worth a 1st but I find it hard to believe there wasn't some point this season Vanek wasn't worth a draft pick.

The fact that Benning couldn't get a pick means he misjudged the market, waited too long etc.

He's an incompetent GM that is living off the Boeser selection, and has done not much else to improve the Canucks.

Bad time to be a nucks fan, at least you're still guaranteed a top selection year after year, that will help.

He totally screwed up on the market. He had one job to execute for a full days work and he couldn't move one player for a half decent return. When he realized the market was softer than 10ply toilet paper, he should have been looking hard at taking on a cap dump as well to make sure a draft pick was the return. Adding a guy that is super similar to waiver fodder, bottom 6 players that we already have in the system is doing nothing. The only upside to this trade was making sure Vanek can't score for us anymore to help the tank. You mentioned us picking in the top of the draft again, yet Vancouver always gets screwed in the lottery (just watch when Edmonton wins it again this year) and when we pick 5-6 like we probably will be this year JB always picks the wrong player. This team would be substantially better had he made the easy and proper picks over OJ and JV.

 

[CBJx614]

Think one of the radio shows yesterday mentioned that mike rupp put out a tweet about wanting vanek micd to hear his interaction with torts. Gaborik followed suit.

NHLers know their colleagues.

Not that they won't butt heads, but Torts has changed from when he has coached else where. He's talked about really listening to the guys and how different players need to be handled differently and it takes time to get to know the guys.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Torts will love Vanek. He has so much upside! Under rated playmaker. Great hands! Finishes most chances.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Hard to say, there are so many candidates.

Bonino trade. Ducks gave Perrault away for nothing but Benning really wanted Bonino, good goal scorer, good playmaker, why take futures and Perrault when you can set yourself up with a smart 20+ goalscoring 2C. 10 months later lindenning are saying "bad hands, bad wheels, bad vision and no use for a playoff team. They got rid of him. Bonino then plays 3C on back to back cups teams.

Not only that but wasn’t Bones tied for team lead in playoff points tbag year for Vancouver? While it was actually Vrbata who no showed! Then Bones goes on and is an impactful player in two cup runs, one in which where he was an early candidate for a Conn Smythe with his steady production while being Phil the Thrill Kessel’s set up man?

To further this point, though the Pens seemed Bones expendable at free agency, they were quick to remedy that with a better younger Brassard as soon as the playoffs were in sight.

All while not a single team would dare to offer anything for Sutter and his god awful contract.

 

[BlueGreen]

Benning delivering hahaha... nice 1st rounder. I guess he doesn't wanna build through the draft, just retool and ready to go!

He’s a moron.

 

[Wats]

To be fair to Benning, even when Vanek was considered in prime he only fetched a 2nd and a declining prospect. Seems no one really wants to trade for him.