Proposal: Canes - Jets - Leafs

[RodTheBawd]

No they aren't. Nylander is worth more than Hanifin (as of now), and Fleury's value is decreasing every year.

I can understand if you feel Hanifin has potential to be worth more than Nylander but when you are getting a better asset at the cost of Fleury it's not an overpayment.

The canes are better off keeping Hanifin and hoping he develops into a top pairing D, I can agree with that.

Ah yes, the ol' 21 yo that just finished a relatively successful rookie season has peaked and it's all downhill from here...

 

[firstemperor]

Don't see why Canes are in the deal, they win on a Nylander, Trouba deal straight up alone. They'd have to add IMO. Maybe in a few years that can change, based on Hanifin's development, but every other piece is more of a sure-thing as it stands today (with upside).

As per Nylander-Trouba, no chance Leafs even entertain an offer until we get an idea if he's willing to sign an extension, and at what cap hit.

60-point winger with questionable defensive side of his game is nowhere near Trouba's value (or Hanifin's, for that matter).

As for Buff and Myers, one of them might end up being a cap casualty very soon.

C>D, particularly a younger, cost-controlled C with upside, if we're projecting. There's no consensus on whether Nylander is a W or C down the line but he's certainly been developed as a C so far slowly. If you tuned into Leaf games, you would realize that. Maybe that turns sideways down the line but that's the plan and it's been pretty clear cut over the course of the year.

 

[Hunter368]

Not overly desirable from a Jets POV, we would be taking a step backwards on D. LHD isn’t a big need anymore, some people don’t realize that. Myers or Buff, likely Myers will be gone this summer so rhd is a bigger need if Trouba is traded. Trouba holds big value around the nhl and to the Jets.

 

[AvatarAang]

Ah yes, the ol' 21 yo that just finished a relatively successful rookie season has peaked and it's all downhill from here...

Ah yes, the 7th overall pick from 2014 that at best is looking like a reliable bottom pairing dman at best. Take off the homer goggles, he's a sweetener in trade proposals, not a main piece.

 

[2legit2quit]

60-point winger with questionable defensive side of his game is nowhere near Trouba's value (or Hanifin's, for that matter).

As for Buff and Myers, one of them might end up being a cap casualty very soon.

How many Leafs' games have you watched?
If you even watched 5-10 Leaf games, and, checked ANY STATS at all --- you would see that Nylander could have easily had 70+ points this season.

ALSO --- To all you morons saying that he is a production of Matthews, Matthews was injured for 20+ games, Nylander had about 18 points in ~22-23 games in Matthews absence.

He had such BAD LUCK on the PP. He is one of the NHL's top 5V5 Producers. Go check the stats --- and please do not make up any B.S. like '' oh, it doesn't count because defense men are 10x better than forwards "

And how can you say he is weak defensively? He is actually very good defensively. He is part of the reason why that line WAS A COMBINED +70.
+/- Doesn't mean much, but since you don't watch Leaf games, how can you say he is BAD DEFENSIVELY? He always back-checks and is good defensively.

[MOD]

ALSO --- Nylander is ONLY 21 years old. He would have had 70 points this season if not for terrible PP luck.

I've watched lots of Jets' games, Trouba makes the stupidest plays some times defensively. For you to say Trouba, Haniffin > Nylander is absurd. Trouba IS NOT A #1D ---- his defense is not up to par to be a #1D.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Ah yes, the 7th overall pick from 2014 that at best is looking like a reliable bottom pairing dman at best. Take off the homer goggles, he's a sweetener in trade proposals, not a main piece.

Fleury is a reliable bottom pairing guy NOW. What's this about "at best"? He's never going to get better than he is at 21 years old? As a defensive defenseman?

But I think Rod's point was, how does a player's value drop after he comes into the league and establishes himself as a regular roster player?

 

[GoldiFox]

Ah yes, the 7th overall pick from 2014 that at best is looking like a reliable bottom pairing dman at best. Take off the homer goggles, he's a sweetener in trade proposals, not a main piece.

The 21 year old NHL rookie D whose "value is decreasing every year" is:

"at best looking like a reliable bottom pairing dman at best".

What a sage of hockey knowledge over here.

Ah yes, the ol' 21 yo that just finished a relatively successful rookie season has peaked and it's all downhill from here...

If you would only take off those homer goggles you would know in your heart what is true. If a Defenseman isn't a regular top-pair guy by 21 years old then he is a big ole bust. Every year after their value declines. Literally no defenseman ever has gotten better after their 21 year old Rookie year, that's just science.

 

[bluedevil58]

Value wise in this deal:

Trouba > Hanafan > Nylander

This is based on stats and is fairly accurate IMO.

 

[2legit2quit]

Value wise in this deal:

Trouba > Hanafan > Nylander

• Nylander could have had 70+ Points this year.
• Had ~18 points in 21-22 games when Matthews was INJURED
• Plays (2)-way hockey; great defensively; his line was a +70 combined --- he was a big reason why.
• Nylander is 21
• TERRIBLE PowerPlay Luck this Regular Season
• ONE OF THE TOP 5V5 Producers in the NHL ---- GO LOOK IT UP!
  

I just love how HF-Gods can make such assumptions that player x is better than player y, etc... You have no knowledge of hockey what so ever, you rely on the regular season player points totals to judge a player. Please stop with your toxicity or lack thereof hockey knowledge. Go get some hockey analytic schooling.

 

[bluedevil58]

• Nylander could have had 70+ Points this year.
• Had ~18 points in 21-22 games when Matthews was INJURED
• Plays (2)-way hockey; great defensively; his line was a +70 combined --- he was a big reason why.
• Nylander is 21
• TERRIBLE PowerPlay Luck this Regular Season
• ONE OF THE TOP 5V5 Producers in the NHL ---- GO LOOK IT UP!

I just love how HF-Gods can make such assumptions that player x is better than player y, etc... You have no knowledge of hockey what so ever, you rely on the regular season player points totals to judge a player. Please stop with your toxicity or lack thereof hockey knowledge. Go get some hockey analytic schooling.

Good d men command a higher return than 60 point wingers.

Larson for Hall
Jones for Johansen

Nylander no Hall or Johansen. Again, I base my facts on statistical information...

 

[RodTheBawd]

Ah yes, the 7th overall pick from 2014 that at best is looking like a reliable bottom pairing dman at best. Take off the homer goggles, he's a sweetener in trade proposals, not a main piece.

He's a bottom pairing dman right now. And you're suggesting at 21, after having just completed his first NHL season, he is what he is. Quite the standards you've got there bud. I also never said he's a main piece, but he's sure as shit more than the difference in value between Hanifin and Nylander.
[MOD]

 

[2legit2quit]

Good d men command a higher return than 60 point wingers.

Larson for Hall
Jones for Johansen

Nylander no Hall or Johansen. Again, I base my facts on statistical information...

ARE YOU MAD? The Taylor Hall for Larsson trade was one of the worst trades this past generation.
How can you use such a terrible trade to justify your trading lunaticy?[MOD]

Here are the reasons why Nylander should be treated like a 70+ point, 21 year old, 2-way player.

• Nylander could have had 70+ Points this year.
• HE HAD ONLY 10 PP Points THIS YEAR!!! If he WOULD HAVE had 19 PP points, he would have had 70 POINTS --- COMPLETELY REASONABLE! WHY? BECAUSE ....
• He had 27 PP Points the YEAR BEFORE!! ----
• TERRIBLE PowerPlay Luck this Regular Season
  
• ONE OF THE TOP 5V5 Producers in the NHL ---- GO LOOK IT UP!
  
• Had ~18 points in 21-22 games when Matthews was INJURED (**THUS, HE DOES NOT RELY ON MATTHEWS FOR SCORING**)
• Plays (2)-way hockey; great defensively; his line was a +70 combined --- he was a big reason why.
• Nylander is 21

 

[PhilJets]

How is LHD not a need? All you guys have is Morrissey.

Left side
Niku
Is trendin 2D
And Chairot at bottom pair physical D

Then there is Logan Stanley.


Chevy don't fail on his 1st pick .

 

[PhilJets]

I hope Trouba stays.

Jets are practically a set team in all areas now and future.
Him going will need a big rework in 2 years when Buff olay declines. And Myers possibly gone.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Good d men command a higher return than 60 point wingers.

Larson for Hall
Jones for Johansen

Nylander no Hall or Johansen. Again, I base my facts on statistical information...

Henrique for Vatanen
Hamilton for a mid 1st and 2 2nds
Hamonic for a mid 1st and 2 2nds
Leddy for Pokka, Brennan, Nilsson

Guess we can probably get Trouba for our 1st + a few seconds or so yeah? I base my facts on statistical information..

 

[Hunter368]

Jets pass on this trade. If Trouba was traded rhd would become our biggest need.

Jets sign Trouba long term and only thing we need next year is a replacement for Stastny. Jack Roslovic?

 

[JetsHomer]

Jets downgrade their D when they’re looking to compete? Nah

 

[Cotton]

60-point winger with questionable defensive side of his game is nowhere near Trouba's value (or Hanifin's, for that matter).

As for Buff and Myers, one of them might end up being a cap casualty very soon.

Oh i’d say it’s more than Trouba’s value, he’s a centre option (he would be a full time C on most teams) and doesn’t have a history of holding out, or great fluctuations in his play year to year.

 

[member 147413]

Trouba is good, injured very frequently and pretty inconsistent though.

 

[member 147413]

Good d men command a higher return than 60 point wingers.

Larson for Hall
Jones for Johansen

Nylander no Hall or Johansen. Again, I base my facts on statistical information...

Now compare Hall and Johansen’s first few seasons to Nylander's.

 

[Dzonna]

A polite no from the Leafs

 

[JetsHomer]

Now compare Hall and Johansen’s first few seasons to Nylander's.

Both Hall and Johansen had higher points and PPG than Nylander in their 20 and 21 year old seasons

 

[bluedevil58]

Both Hall and Johansen had higher points and PPG than Nylander in their 21 and 22 year old seasons

No need to. Want to know why? They didn't play alongside an a elite generational talent centerman ot winger during the first 2 seasons.

 

[member 147413]

Both Hall and Johansen had higher points and PPG than Nylander in their 20 and 21 year old seasons

They also had higher PPG than Kucherov in his 20 and 21 year old seasons.

 

[member 147413]

No need to. Want to know why? They didn't play alongside an a elite generational talent centerman ot winger during the first 2 seasons.

Damn, so Laine must not be that great because he has stars on his team.