We're trading our center and winger for the potential best piece coming back being a Dman? I'm pretty sure what we need is a top center in this package. I like Newhook, but if you're expecting him to take a top center role on 1-2 years, I think you'll be disappointed. This is a step back for NYR who already loaded up on prospects / elc players. If we're trading this package, we're looking for an upgrade / young established center signed long term. And no team is going to give up the assets it takes to get both Zibanejad and Buchnevich. (Keyword: going to) *unless you're a player asking to be traded. You're more than likely looking at selling them separately.
Why would Avs even consider giving up top prospects and draft picks to take on 12 plus million in cap if they wanted to keep Buch and Zibanejad? And we don't need to trade away everybody that has a cap hit greater than 3 million.
You lecturing anyone on unjustified repetition is rich.No wait, there's more.
Also guilty of unjustified repetition.
Avs should hang on to their top young talent for several reasons. First, no reason to get into even bigger expansion draft trouble than necessary. Secondly, if you have good players on ELCs you'll be able to extend your window. Third, the main needs currently is a backup goaltender and a 3C. Avs have a good enough first and second line as it is.
No need it's obvious in the actions of the organization....You know it just bothers you that the rest of the league knows it....If not then sign him LT.....Kinda put up orShow me.
Step away from the computerfine.
If we are truly far apart and NY is not getting desired currency in return, will sell a la carte.
You have a good shot at the Cup, but not ironclad.
Ya wanna hold on to the future a bit and not go all in for next 2 yrs at min, okay.
But you reap what you sow.
Zibanejad shouldn't be and isn't for sale. He obviously had a really rough stretch offensively to start the year, but even with that he is a tremendous two way player who can play in any situation and plays the game hard.
...We can't sign him yet. He's a ufa next season. We can't sign him to a new contract before free agency. 1 year before contract ends.No need it's obvious in the actions of the organization....You know it just bothers you that the rest of the league knows it....If not then sign him LT.....Kinda put up or
Bern delivers yet again. Only I’m surprised Broberg wasn’t somehow included in a 3 way
I value Zib, returned from the covid grave, at 2/2.5 to start, then up that bc he is not a 1 yr rental at worst but 2, at less than 6 per, and that assumes Rangers do not retain. So now we are looking at over 3 1sts in value.
Add Buch, 1.5 ish to start, factor in also cost controlled next season at min [yes he is arb eligible but we are covid constrained another 2 yrs. If Buch goes that route I seriously doubt he gets more than 4.75 or so for 1 season.] Remember he is only 3.25 hit this season. So now we are looking at close to 2 1sts in value.
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right now this is true.
Thanks to trouba's 8 per we can't keep him long term unless he agrees to 5 yrs max extension, pref 4, and keeps salary to 8 or less.
Need to discover what the market is and make an informed decision.
No need for a three way trade. A direct Edmonton ranger trade.
In Bernency (Bern currency) Zibanejad and Buchnevich are worth north of 5 firsts.
McDavid could have fetched 4 firsts in RFA, Broberg is a recent first, this would total 5 firsts.
Ergo McDavid and Broberg for Zib and Buch!
Agreed on 8 million now. I think that's reasonable. He was on track for more than that, probably 10 million.
I disagree about the years. The Rangers have plenty of cap space and the young players do not look to be commanding it any time soon. No problem giving Zibanejad a 7 year extension.
Im not Bernie. I just happen to agree with him on this post. Lets agree to disagree.
No, no I am not Bernie. I do see your point though. I am a New York fan, mostly Islander. Your right it is hypocritical to expect the Islanders to give up their top 2 prospects and atleast 2 1sts for a very good winger in Forsberg but not the Rangers giving up any of their top 3 prospects for a top 5 center in tbe league signed long term. And yes i know what Dumbfounded means lol!
But the premise here was reciprocal to that. Typically, two player assets are available. If moved separately, prices are a la carte; the supply and demand theory is separate transactions max competitive bidding for each, and that is the best return.
But in this case, the premise asks the question, IF both players are included in the same deal, it greatly ratchets up not only what internal benefit the acquiring team has for its own production due to the acquisition. It also helps the acquiring team by depriving any fellow competitor from instead getting those assets. That is, the acquiring team pays a premium, a heavy premium, to deprive anyone else of these assets, in this case locking both up for a minimum of this season and next.
Think of it as a tax happily paid to remove the competitive bidding, a fee for the exclusivity.
So that is part of what I had in mind with the Avs illustration, and what would apply to a different acquiring team.
I was hoping for cerebral responses to help gauge the dynamic between this, and the alternative of selling pieces separately. Obviously different deals with different pieces are variables to different results. Which is stronger in this instance? Buch + Zib separately? Or in a package?
Is the trading team, in this case NYR, better able to extract a max price premium here?
Or is there a point at which such max extraction is too much, no team will pay it, and it will accept the risk someone else does, or try to press to have the package broken up with its components sold separately?
thank you again and keep it coming.
but pls lets stay focused and play nice
If I owned both a classic Chevrolet Corvette, and a classic Volkswagon Bus that I wanted to put up for auction: Do you think I'd get higher bids by combining them together into one lot or if I auction them separately?
Sakic is the last type of GM that would cough up that many blue chip pieces for a package of Zibanejad and buchnevich and G.
he basically sat on a duchene trade forever until he hit a home run. he certainly isn't doing the inverse here
If I owned both a classic Chevrolet Corvette, and a classic Volkswagon Bus that I wanted to put up for auction: Do you think I'd get higher bids by combining them together into one lot or if I auction them separately?
Gorton better watch his back. Someone’s out for his job.