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bernmeister

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OP parameters:
NYR will not deal bluest blue chip elcs.

Immediately, NY need do NOTHING.
Near future, youth WILL be served and to max cap situation, vets will go to give mins to emerging youth.

Strome I see, but mo likely in a separate deal.

Buch HAS emergED, no longer getting there, has arrived.
Zib, we know his slow start was due to covid immediately prior to season, needed recovery time, rust of no camp, etc. Wed nite game vs Flyers natural hat trick, 1st star, indicates he has returned to form. Both are cost controlled to team thru [incl] next season.

While you can comment on your team acquiring separately, purpose of this thread is to see what full measure of max might be harvested by NYR dealing both to a single team. Such a power add could be enough to put a team over the top --- hence the return has to be top, top dollar.

Geo is optional as Shesty is our #1 and we have Kinkaid for exp dr and can promote stopgap if nec., so if you want/need a G that can be optional add.

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Have at it.
Again, top offers, pls
Like from Avs,
Buch + Zib + Geo
for
Byram + Newhook + 2022 + 2023 1sts + acceptable cap dump(s).

somethin like dat.

want to assess value of package vs sold separately...
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bernmeister said:
OP parameters:
NYR will not deal bluest blue chip elcs.

Immediately, NY need do NOTHING.
Near future, youth WILL be served and to max cap situation, vets will go to give mins to emerging youth.

Strome I see, but mo likely in a separate deal.

Buch HAS emergED, no longer getting there, has arrived.
Zib, we know his slow start was due to covid immediately prior to season, needed recovery time, rust of no camp, etc. Wed nite game vs Flyers natural hat trick, 1st star, indicates he has returned to form. Both are cost controlled to team thru [incl] next season.

While you can comment on your team acquiring separately, purpose of this thread is to see what full measure of max might be harvested by NYR dealing both to a single team. Such a power add could be enough to put a team over the top --- hence the return has to be top, top dollar.

Geo is optional as Shesty is our #1 and we have Kinkaid for exp dr and can promote stopgap if nec., so if you want/need a G that can be optional add.

--------
Have at it.
Again, top offers, pls
Like from Avs,
Buch + Zib + Geo
for
Byram + Newhook + 2022 + 2023 1sts + acceptable cap dump(s).

somethin like dat.

want to assess value of package vs sold separately...
Click to expand...


Sorry to burst your expectations....AVs will not even respond.

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bernmeister said:
OP parameters:
NYR will not deal bluest blue chip elcs.

Immediately, NY need do NOTHING.
Near future, youth WILL be served and to max cap situation, vets will go to give mins to emerging youth.

Strome I see, but mo likely in a separate deal.

Buch HAS emergED, no longer getting there, has arrived.
Zib, we know his slow start was due to covid immediately prior to season, needed recovery time, rust of no camp, etc. Wed nite game vs Flyers natural hat trick, 1st star, indicates he has returned to form. Both are cost controlled to team thru [incl] next season.

While you can comment on your team acquiring separately, purpose of this thread is to see what full measure of max might be harvested by NYR dealing both to a single team. Such a power add could be enough to put a team over the top --- hence the return has to be top, top dollar.

Geo is optional as Shesty is our #1 and we have Kinkaid for exp dr and can promote stopgap if nec., so if you want/need a G that can be optional add.

--------
Have at it.
Again, top offers, pls
Like from Avs,
Buch + Zib + Geo
for
Byram + Newhook + 2022 + 2023 1sts + acceptable cap dump(s).

somethin like dat.

want to assess value of package vs sold separately...
Click to expand...

This package would probably land Eichel so answer would be no.
 
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bernmeister said:
OP parameters:
NYR will not deal bluest blue chip elcs.

Immediately, NY need do NOTHING.
Near future, youth WILL be served and to max cap situation, vets will go to give mins to emerging youth.

Strome I see, but mo likely in a separate deal.

Buch HAS emergED, no longer getting there, has arrived.
Zib, we know his slow start was due to covid immediately prior to season, needed recovery time, rust of no camp, etc. Wed nite game vs Flyers natural hat trick, 1st star, indicates he has returned to form. Both are cost controlled to team thru [incl] next season.

While you can comment on your team acquiring separately, purpose of this thread is to see what full measure of max might be harvested by NYR dealing both to a single team. Such a power add could be enough to put a team over the top --- hence the return has to be top, top dollar.

Geo is optional as Shesty is our #1 and we have Kinkaid for exp dr and can promote stopgap if nec., so if you want/need a G that can be optional add.

--------
Have at it.
Again, top offers, pls
Like from Avs,
Buch + Zib + Geo
for
Byram + Newhook + 2022 + 2023 1sts + acceptable cap dump(s).

somethin like dat.

want to assess value of package vs sold separately...
Click to expand...
Is this a joke post? Colorado would laugh at that request.

You should have left the Colorado offer out of your OP, because now it’s just going to be people laughing at your expectations and zero offers. Especially when everyone knows it will be a 12 page debate with you.

Zib has little term left and I am suspecting Buchnevich will be asking for a lot and it is likely be a 1 year and out if he doesn’t like the place he has been dealt to.

To start with, which contender can afford to take on all all of that cap? Define “acceptable cap dumps”.
 
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~1.5 years of Zibanejad is not returning an elite leaguewide prospect like Byram. Colorado gets targeted quite a bit on this board for the competitive situation it's in and the prospects it has. It's important to remember, Makar and MacKinnon are getting massive raises shortly. Zibanejad signed to the massive number he's in line for would throw that cap structure out of whack, and that's not even accounting for whatever an arbitration eligible Buchnevich scoring close to a point per game will get. Realistically, Zibanejad would be an actual rental+1. Dressing it up with other pieces is not change that fundamental problem with him as a trade asset.
 
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I am not going to even comment on value because yeah its that goddamn awful but why do Rangers fans keep assuming that the Avs would be interested in Buchnevich?

Because they wouldn't. At all. We don't have the money to pay him and even if we could find it somehow, we probably would rather just re-sign Saad instead of giving Buchnevich a big deal and give up valuable assets for him...

I don't think the Avs will do much at the deadline but if they do, they will be looking for centers and goalies. They really don't need another top6 forward. At all right now.
 

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Rangers shouldnt acquire any picks or prospects until they can figure out how to get production out of 1st and 2nd overall picks.
 
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bernmeister said:
OP parameters:
NYR will not deal bluest blue chip elcs.

Immediately, NY need do NOTHING.
Near future, youth WILL be served and to max cap situation, vets will go to give mins to emerging youth.

Strome I see, but mo likely in a separate deal.

Buch HAS emergED, no longer getting there, has arrived.
Zib, we know his slow start was due to covid immediately prior to season, needed recovery time, rust of no camp, etc. Wed nite game vs Flyers natural hat trick, 1st star, indicates he has returned to form. Both are cost controlled to team thru [incl] next season.

While you can comment on your team acquiring separately, purpose of this thread is to see what full measure of max might be harvested by NYR dealing both to a single team. Such a power add could be enough to put a team over the top --- hence the return has to be top, top dollar.

Geo is optional as Shesty is our #1 and we have Kinkaid for exp dr and can promote stopgap if nec., so if you want/need a G that can be optional add.

--------
Have at it.
Again, top offers, pls
Like from Avs,
Buch + Zib + Geo
for
Byram + Newhook + 2022 + 2023 1sts + acceptable cap dump(s).

somethin like dat.

want to assess value of package vs sold separately...
Click to expand...
Avs will need ADA to offset the loss of Byram.
 

bernmeister

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zar said:
Is this a joke post? Colorado would laugh at that request.

You should have left the Colorado offer out of your OP, because now it’s just going to be people laughing at your expectations and zero offers. Especially when everyone knows it will be a 12 page debate with you.

Zib has little term left and I am suspecting Buchnevich will be asking for a lot and it is likely be a 1 year and out if he doesn’t like the place he has been dealt to.

To start with, which contender can afford to take on all all of that cap? Define “acceptable cap dumps”.
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colorado offer was to provide illustration
Want to see if that is a benchmark, what modification is made, if any, to get a deal.

Zib is thru next yr and if no deal worked out before so = similar to Pageau immediately extended once he got to the Isles, you still have him at min thru next season and full opportunity for dibs to extend.

Buch I am thinking goes in ballpark of 5 x 4. Covid will impact signings thru next 2 seasons. He would have to wait to maybe get around 6, 6/+. So an immediate upgrade to 5 covering those 2 yrs and the next 3 beyond, makes some level sense for him unless he really wants to bet, and prefers not to take 5 yrs and see where he is at 30 yrs old.

As to contract, you have to expect to pay market rate to keep good talent.
If not, fine, but then ya takes yer chances.

As to cap dump, I was open to suggestion(s), which would be influenced by other parts of a deal, and would vary from team to team offering a package.
 

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Big Daddy Cane said:
~1.5 years of Zibanejad is not returning an elite leaguewide prospect like Byram. Colorado gets targeted quite a bit on this board for the competitive situation it's in and the prospects it has. It's important to remember, Makar and MacKinnon are getting massive raises shortly. Zibanejad signed to the massive number he's in line for would throw that cap structure out of whack, and that's not even accounting for whatever an arbitration eligible Buchnevich scoring close to a point per game will get. Realistically, Zibanejad would be an actual rental+1. Dressing it up with other pieces is not change that fundamental problem with him as a trade asset.
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bold = fair enuf
underline = he will get 7 or 8 w/medium term, imo, not 10-12 or so per
imo
that is not a "massive number" for Zib
 

bernmeister

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JoemAvs said:
I am not going to even comment on value because yeah its that goddamn awful but why do Rangers fans keep assuming that the Avs would be interested in Buchnevich?

Because they wouldn't. At all. We don't have the money to pay him and even if we could find it somehow, we probably would rather just re-sign Saad instead of giving Buchnevich a big deal and give up valuable assets for him...

I don't think the Avs will do much at the deadline but if they do, they will be looking for centers and goalies. They really don't need another top6 forward. At all right now.
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The premise is that if NYR put this pair on the market, either
you acquire for yourself, and pay the price
or
you risk other SC contenders acquiring at their price.

In theory, such a deal could make trading partner a favorite, possibly a dominant favorite, for cup, barring injury.

Hence you decide to go there or not.
 
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Cap structure doesn't work for the Avs. Especially buchnevich since we have good enough wingers. It's also definitely not worth giving up Byram and two first round picks.
 

bernmeister

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Mrfenn92 said:
Once again op why would the rangers give up theirs number 1 center and their second best winger?
The fact you expect also blue chip elc’s back is funny to say.
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You ignored what I said at the start.
Today, no prob
long term, youth WILL be served, Krav + Barron et al replacing Buch + Strome.
NY has to see what Zib wants, but I'm guessing it is not enuf, unless we can somehow jettison Trouba, which I don't see him waiving.
 
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