Are the Leafs stupid not to get a 1D

[Zonk]

Are the Leafs stupid not to get a 1D? It depends on the level of stupidity you are looking for.

Leafs revisionist history: Niedermayer trade - Sportsnet.ca

Maple Leafs Trade Tree: Tom Kurvers - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Eb]

Big stupid dumb dumbs!

 

[Skin Tape Session]

EK is still the best defenseman in hockey, don't let people fool you into thinking he's having a bad year.

The best forward playing defense yes. The Best defensemen in the NHL is Doughty.
EK proved a lot to me last year in the playoffs, he's not as soft as I thought he was but 10/10 I take doughty. what he gives up to EK in offense he destroys him on defense. Drew Doughty is the best defesmen in the nhl

 

[Joey Hoser]

We have a gaping whole in the lineup, yeah I love Rielly but our blueline is still thin given Tanev, Karlsson, OEL and McDonagh are to some degree out there this deadline and up coming draft should it be imperative to land one?

Is this the kind of window you look back on and question why didn't you pull the trigger.

Even take a run at John Carlson as a UFA or a Trouba deal in July

To that end I'm ok with flipping JVR and/or Bozak for picks as ammo for a July deal.

-edit- Liljegren is off the table IMO, I'm a fanboy for Ryan Merkley so this thread is me questioning my blind faith in the draft, by all means bash my opinion looking for diverse hot takes and such.

Are Marner and Nylander on the table? Because we aren't getting an age appropriate #1 defenseman for late picks and B prospects.

 

[LeafFever]

The best forward playing defense yes. The Best defensemen in the NHL is Doughty.
EK proved a lot to me last year in the playoffs, he's not as soft as I thought he was but 10/10 I take doughty. what he gives up to EK in offense he destroys him on defense. Drew Doughty is the best defesmen in the nhl

EK has had his struggles this year, but the stuff about his D should be buried by now. He was better in the playoffs last year than Doughty has ever been. EK was by far the best player last Spring.

 

[LeafFever]

Leaf fans really are clueless at evaluating defenseman. Read this and learn that Rielly is a bonafide #1D.

Morgan Rielly’s Evolution into a #1 Defenceman

“Rielly’s team has significantly outshot the opposition when he’s on the ice.
To give you an idea of just how difficult that is, here’s a list of defencemen who face elite competition (90th percentile or higher), have a positive shot differential relative to their teammates, and are on pace for over 50 points this season:

• Drew Doughty
• Victor Hedman
• Morgan Rielly

That’s it.”

Yeah but he's aLeaf D so he'll never get credit.
He is without a doubt a #1 D.

 

[connormcmuffin]

Are Marner and Nylander on the table? Because we aren't getting an age appropriate #1 defenseman for late picks and B prospects.

You can pitch whatever you like

Are the Leafs stupid not to get a 1D? It depends on the level of stupidity you are looking for.

Leafs revisionist history: Niedermayer trade - Sportsnet.ca

Maple Leafs Trade Tree: Tom Kurvers - Sportsnet.ca

What if the Leafs traded Jeff Ware for Lidstrom? Anyone can play that game

 

[Whaleafs]

It’s clearly what they need more than anything and has been the case since last summer. Giving away young prospects or something crazy like Kapanen is not worth it. I’d rather see a Bozak for a pending UFA D-man + pick + 2nd tier prospect type scenario to make a push and then you aren’t mortgaging the future and the long term plan.

 

[Morgs]

The best forward playing defense yes. The Best defensemen in the NHL is Doughty.
EK proved a lot to me last year in the playoffs, he's not as soft as I thought he was but 10/10 I take doughty. what he gives up to EK in offense he destroys him on defense. Drew Doughty is the best defesmen in the nhl

This year Doughty has been the best defenseman overall, but trust me when I say Karlsson is not having a bad season at all.

If you look at their respective careers though, Karlsson wins (ainec).

 

[KDOTO]

wow, you have been here since Saturday and your already mouthing off

your a quality new addition OR something completely different.

I don't agree with him but who cares how long he has been here. Mouthing off what are we amongst royalty here
Wtf. I just signed up too, what do I have to wait before I can say what I want. Is there a seniority system here on hf or something.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Isn't it kinda meaningless to class players into # 1 , # 2 etc From the Leafs POV, all Reilly can do is be the best he can be. Doesn't matter if it he doesn't meet the non sensical rating system imposed by others.
For the Leafs, to be successful (and it won't be this year), I'll play the rating games, having three # 2s, 2 # 3s, a # 4 and # 5 might quite be good enough for any team.

 

[highslot]

Our big needs are a top Dman like Doughty and a power winger like Benn to knock Hyman down to the fourth. And yes I know those two are a pipe dream.
Unfortunately I think we're not shopping in the right store, and we'll end up giving away picks and prospects for a couple of gudpros to make Babcock smile for the first time.

if benn isn't as much a gudpro tm as hyman though, benn will be playing on fourth line with kapanen. or he will knock marleau to 3rd line.

 

[highslot]

Points Leaders - Defensemen

	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
1	John Klingberg, D	DAL	61	7	47	54	10	20	0.89	149	4.7	2	1	18	0	0
2	Brent Burns, D	SJ	62	10	41	51	-20	38	0.82	259	3.9	2	5	17	0	1
3	Shayne Gostisbehere, D	PHI	57	10	39	49	16	21	0.86	160	6.3	2	5	20	0	0
4	P.K. Subban, D	NSH	60	15	33	48	13	62	0.80	155	9.7	2	4	16	0	1
5	John Carlson, D	WSH	61	11	36	47	-5	28	0.77	178	6.2	3	4	17	0	0
6	Victor Hedman, D	TB	56	9	34	43	27	36	0.77	159	5.7	1	2	16	0	2
7	Erik Karlsson, D	OTT	55	5	37	42	-29	32	0.76	147	3.4	1	3	12	0	1
8	Drew Doughty, D	LA	61	8	33	41	18	40	0.67	159	5.0	4	3	11	1	0
9	Ryan Suter, D	MIN	61	6	33	39	-3	28	0.64	125	4.8	2	1	16	0	0
10	Dougie Hamilton, D	CGY	62	14	24	38	10	44	0.61	193	7.3	4	5	6	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
Torey Krug, D	BOS	54	10	28	38	5	26	0.70	127	7.9	3	3	9	1	0
Roman Josi, D	NSH	57	10	28	38	9	20	0.67	202	5.0	3	6	10	0	1
Kris Letang, D	PIT	59	5	33	38	-7	48	0.64	177	2.8	1	3	14	0	1
Jake Gardiner, D	TOR	63	4	34	38	6	28	0.60	96	4.2	0	1	8	0	0
15	Alex Pietrangelo, D	STL	58	9	28	37	11	18	0.64	155	5.8	3	2	6	0	1
16	Nick Leddy, D	NYI	62	9	27	36	-33	16	0.58	127	7.1	1	4	10	0	0
Seth Jones, D	CBJ	61	8	28	36	-1	18	0.59	197	4.1	1	3	9	0	0
Keith Yandle, D	FLA	58	6	30	36	0	29	0.62	128	4.7	0	1	12	0	1
Tyson Barrie, D	COL	46	6	30	36	-11	18	0.78	115	5.2	2	3	15	0	0
20	Morgan Rielly, D	TOR	57	6	29	35	-1	12	0.61	135	4.4	0	1	13	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
21	Matt Dumba, D	MIN	61	10	24	34	11	37	0.56	116	8.6	3	0	7	0	1
Jake Muzzin, D	LA	58	6	28	34	8	34	0.59	128	4.7	0	4	7	0	1
23	Colin Miller, D	VGS	61	7	26	33	5	39	0.54	131	5.3	1	3	10	0	0
Tyler Myers, D	WPG	61	6	27	33	12	36	0.54	105	5.7	3	3	13	1	0
25	Mark Giordano, D	CGY	62	9	22	31	9	49	0.50	155	5.8	3	1	8	1	0
Mikhail Sergachev, D	TB	59	8	23	31	8	30	0.53	107	7.5	5	2	11	0	0
Dustin Byfuglien, D	WPG	49	4	27	31	8	90	0.63	118	3.4	0	1	15	0	1
28	Oliver Ekman-Larsson, D	ARI	60	8	22	30	-37	26	0.50	145	5.5	1	4	7	0	0
Jared Spurgeon, D	MIN	52	7	23	30	-7	8	0.58	99	7.1	1	3	8	0	0
Nate Schmidt, D	VGS	61	5	25	30	21	14	0.49	85	5.9	1	1	7	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

please name the 30 d who are better than rielly. because if he's not a 1d, then there are 30 better. although gardiner has technically more points and a better +/-

 

[cupcrazyman]

Leafs are stupid to have Polak & Carrick & think they can contend for the Cup.

 

[LeafFever]

I think the Leafs will pass Boston in the standings even though the perception is the Leafs are not in their league.
Boston has had a VERY cushy schedule compared to the Leafs and have a very difficult March and April.

 

[highslot]

I would love OEL. Offer liljegren a first .... how many times has this been posted.

But seriously if we can get oel we’re looking good.

Chayka would prob want liljegren 1st 2nd kapanen/leivo to start and rightly so.

ermmm...no. lili may potentially be in the tier of oel, but not a karlsson nor doughty. kapanen is a top 6. i'd rather give away our first and some other prospects.

this brian burke mentality is why a rebuild wouldn't successfully happen. if you saw what happened here and in calgary, they weren't ready. fortunately, our current gm seems to be much smarter.

 

[highslot]

It’s clearly what they need more than anything and has been the case since last summer. Giving away young prospects or something crazy like Kapanen is not worth it. I’d rather see a Bozak for a pending UFA D-man + pick + 2nd tier prospect type scenario to make a push and then you aren’t mortgaging the future and the long term plan.

or we can wait for liljegren...who imo will be better than rielly, if he can stay healthy.

 

[Dzonna]

or we can wait for liljegren...who imo will be better than rielly, if he can stay healthy.

ermmm...no. lili may potentially be in the tier of oel, but not a karlsson nor doughty. kapanen is a top 6. i'd rather give away our first and some other prospects.

this brian burke mentality is why a rebuild wouldn't successfully happen. if you saw what happened here and in calgary, they weren't ready. fortunately, our current gm seems to be much smarter.

Well I wouldn’t want to give them up either I was just throwing out some ideas, I’m glad the management doesn’t read my posts lol. After we get this number 1 D then fans will be screaming for another C prospect, then tenacity etc etc. Hopefully this playoff run will make the kids grow.

I would love to hear a updated scouting report on him as I hope we see him in the lineup a bit quicker than dermott was

 

[highslot]

Well I wouldn’t want to give them up either I was just throwing out some ideas, I’m glad the management doesn’t read my posts lol. After we get this number 1 D then fans will be screaming for another C prospect, then tenacity etc etc. Hopefully this playoff run will make the kids grow.

I would love to hear a updated scouting report on him as I hope we see him in the lineup a bit quicker than dermott was

fair enough, i agree.

 

[hullsy47]

Are Marner and Nylander on the table? Because we aren't getting an age appropriate #1 defenseman for late picks and B prospects.

off course they are on the table no one gives them up for free .but I think we ll be heartbroken every year till babcock gets his 27 minute a game guy .but hey the penguins won 2 years in a row just playing the right way ...never know

 

[Mess]

When or IF Tampa bay goes all in on Erik Karlsson when they already have Hedman, the question to this thread will become glaringly obvious as Leaf Cup hopes will run through TB each year and Leafs Leafs could come close to a Hedman-Karlsson-Stralman-Sergatchev top 4 D.

TB has Hedman one the top 5 Dmen in the NHL right now and Noris calibre Dman and appear to be the front runners in EK interest right now.

Do the Leafs need an serious upgrade should that happen, talk about a rhetorical question?

 

[Liferleafer]

The biggest gain will be from getting someone who can push one of Zaitsev/Hainsey to the bottom pairing and get Polak/Carrick out of the lineup.

Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-X
Dermott-Zaitsev

3 solid pairings, don't feel nervous with any of them on the ice. That X can be a guy like Braun, Pysyk, or Petry. Why pay more than twice the price for McD/Tanev?

Put Tanev beside Rielly and let Hainsey babysit Gardiner.

 

[Anthrax442]

I don't think Leafs depth is strong enough yet to afford to lose significant pieces.

 

[BM14]

When or IF Tampa bay goes all in on Erik Karlsson when they already have Hedman, the question to this thread will become glaringly obvious as Leaf Cup hopes will run through TB each year and Leafs Leafs could come close to a Hedman-Karlsson-Stralman-Sergatchev top 4 D.

TB has Hedman one the top 5 Dmen in the NHL right now and Noris calibre Dman and appear to be the front runners in EK interest right now.

Do the Leafs need an serious upgrade should that happen, talk about a rhetorical question?

You stick to your plan.

You can get away with assembling your team for 1 opponent in the NFL, but I don't think that strategy works in hockey.

 

[Anthrax442]

You stick to your plan.

You can get away with assembling your team for 1 opponent in the NFL, but I don't think that strategy works in hockey.

The reason TB can go top heavy is because they have so many young guys that keep coming up (when they are ready) and producing on the cheap. This took years of amassing of talent and proper development. We are nowhere near that type of depth.