Are the Leafs stupid not to get a 1D

[The Man with a Plan]

This year Doughty has been the best defenseman overall, but trust me when I say Karlsson is not having a bad season at all.

If you look at their respective careers though, Karlsson wins (ainec).

ANIEC? Lol
How many cup wins does EK have again?

 

[connormcmuffin]

Points Leaders - Defensemen

	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
1	John Klingberg, D	DAL	61	7	47	54	10	20	0.89	149	4.7	2	1	18	0	0
2	Brent Burns, D	SJ	62	10	41	51	-20	38	0.82	259	3.9	2	5	17	0	1
3	Shayne Gostisbehere, D	PHI	57	10	39	49	16	21	0.86	160	6.3	2	5	20	0	0
4	P.K. Subban, D	NSH	60	15	33	48	13	62	0.80	155	9.7	2	4	16	0	1
5	John Carlson, D	WSH	61	11	36	47	-5	28	0.77	178	6.2	3	4	17	0	0
6	Victor Hedman, D	TB	56	9	34	43	27	36	0.77	159	5.7	1	2	16	0	2
7	Erik Karlsson, D	OTT	55	5	37	42	-29	32	0.76	147	3.4	1	3	12	0	1
8	Drew Doughty, D	LA	61	8	33	41	18	40	0.67	159	5.0	4	3	11	1	0
9	Ryan Suter, D	MIN	61	6	33	39	-3	28	0.64	125	4.8	2	1	16	0	0
10	Dougie Hamilton, D	CGY	62	14	24	38	10	44	0.61	193	7.3	4	5	6	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
Torey Krug, D	BOS	54	10	28	38	5	26	0.70	127	7.9	3	3	9	1	0
Roman Josi, D	NSH	57	10	28	38	9	20	0.67	202	5.0	3	6	10	0	1
Kris Letang, D	PIT	59	5	33	38	-7	48	0.64	177	2.8	1	3	14	0	1
Jake Gardiner, D	TOR	63	4	34	38	6	28	0.60	96	4.2	0	1	8	0	0
15	Alex Pietrangelo, D	STL	58	9	28	37	11	18	0.64	155	5.8	3	2	6	0	1
16	Nick Leddy, D	NYI	62	9	27	36	-33	16	0.58	127	7.1	1	4	10	0	0
Seth Jones, D	CBJ	61	8	28	36	-1	18	0.59	197	4.1	1	3	9	0	0
Keith Yandle, D	FLA	58	6	30	36	0	29	0.62	128	4.7	0	1	12	0	1
Tyson Barrie, D	COL	46	6	30	36	-11	18	0.78	115	5.2	2	3	15	0	0
20	Morgan Rielly, D	TOR	57	6	29	35	-1	12	0.61	135	4.4	0	1	13	0	0
	PP	SH
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	PTS/G	SOG	PCT	GWG	G	A	G	A
21	Matt Dumba, D	MIN	61	10	24	34	11	37	0.56	116	8.6	3	0	7	0	1
Jake Muzzin, D	LA	58	6	28	34	8	34	0.59	128	4.7	0	4	7	0	1
23	Colin Miller, D	VGS	61	7	26	33	5	39	0.54	131	5.3	1	3	10	0	0
Tyler Myers, D	WPG	61	6	27	33	12	36	0.54	105	5.7	3	3	13	1	0
25	Mark Giordano, D	CGY	62	9	22	31	9	49	0.50	155	5.8	3	1	8	1	0
Mikhail Sergachev, D	TB	59	8	23	31	8	30	0.53	107	7.5	5	2	11	0	0
Dustin Byfuglien, D	WPG	49	4	27	31	8	90	0.63	118	3.4	0	1	15	0	1
28	Oliver Ekman-Larsson, D	ARI	60	8	22	30	-37	26	0.50	145	5.5	1	4	7	0	0
Jared Spurgeon, D	MIN	52	7	23	30	-7	8	0.58	99	7.1	1	3	8	0	0
Nate Schmidt, D	VGS	61	5	25	30	21	14	0.49	85	5.9	1	1	7	0	0

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

please name the 30 d who are better than rielly. because if he's not a 1d, then there are 30 better. although gardiner has technically more points and a better +/-

Why do people whine about Rielly? He's played as a one 1D this year? Are you so triggered by the title? I would like to see the Leafs have two elite pairs. Personally I believe a Rielly-Gardiner pair would wreak the league if you could play Hainesy with an elite talent on another pair.

This is why you can't discuss hockey on this site you have posters devote all their energy to picking inane conflict.

We all understand Rielly is having a great year and is on a great contract, a contract so good we can discuss bringing in more talent on a bluleline that overall has issues.... f***

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Why do people whine about Rielly? He's played as a one 1D this year? Are you so triggered by the title? I would like to see the Leafs have two elite pairs. Personally I believe a Rielly-Gardiner pair would wreak the league if you could play Hainesy with an elite talent.

This is why you can't discuss hockey on this site you have posters devote all their energy to picking inane conflict.

We all understand Rielly is having a great year and is on a great contract, a contract so good we can discuss bring in more talent on a bluleline that overall has issues.... f***

and i'd love it if the Leafs had an elite player in every position, but that's not realistic in a cap world. if we can add a good defenseman for the right price, of course we'd do it. so would every other team. If not, then oh well

 

[connormcmuffin]

and i'd love it if the Leafs had an elite player in every position, but that's not realistic in a cap world. if we can add a good defenseman for the right price, of course we'd do it. so would every other team. If not, then oh well

Who is making elite money on the Leafs? Babcock?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Who is making elite money on the Leafs? Babcock?

the NHL will likely continue beyond this year, and we have to manage our cap accordingly

 

[Morgs]

ANIEC? Lol
How many cup wins does EK have again?

Jonathan Toews > Alexander Ovechkin

Yes, Karlsson has by far had the more superior career. Karlsson likely ends up a top-10 defenseman all-time.

 

[connormcmuffin]

the NHL will likely continue beyond this year, and we have to manage our cap accordingly

And the cap grows and besides Auston's getting a massive deal who is the other giant contract? Tampa is looking to add and their roster is older and further along with big deals for them team. We have a bunch of expiring contracts.

Wake me when you have a comment that reflects reality.

 

[as Pure as Evil]

You don't trade for a 1d unless your buying low you obtain them by drafting well and develop then with a dash of luck

 

[leafsfuture]

You don't trade for a 1d unless your buying low you obtain them by drafting well and develop then with a dash of luck

So the solution is to wait at LEAST 2 more years, and let our guys ELCs expire?

 

[2legit2quit]

Funny how people say " This is not the year! " When leafs are top 5 in the NHL.

Leafs have beat Tampa 2 times out of 3 this season.... How is Tampa "miles better than the leafs". Come on, you guys are so used to losing that you still think that leafs are utter trash, and are a wildcard team at best. LMAO. Get a reality check you delusional iiddddiooots.

 

[connormcmuffin]

So the solution is to wait at LEAST 2 more years, and let our guys ELCs expire?

And the thing is when pressed against the cap, you keep your picks because you don't have room, there are small windows you're in a position to add an elite D and fit him under the cap.

People rather stay the course to draft and develop Calen Addison with a 24th oa pick?

 

[connormcmuffin]

Funny how people say " This is not the year! " When leafs are top 5 in the NHL.

Leafs have beat Tampa 2 times out of 3 this season.... How is Tampa "miles better than the leafs". Come on, you guys are so used to losing that you still think that leafs are utter trash, and are a wildcard team at best. LMAO. Get a reality check you delusional iiddddiooots.

And a winning record vs the Bruins who are a 1 line team.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

And a winning record vs the Bruins who are a 1 line team.

Boston has the best 1st line in the league, but they aren't a 1 line team

 

[Barilko14]

And a winning record vs the Bruins who are a 1 line team.

There was more than 1 line making the Leafs look foolish last time they played.

Also, Heinen, Krejci, Spooner, Backes all say hi.

Even Debrusk and Nash are on pace for 40 pt seasons.

 

[Skin Tape Session]

Funny how people say " This is not the year! " When leafs are top 5 in the NHL.

Leafs have beat Tampa 2 times out of 3 this season.... How is Tampa "miles better than the leafs". Come on, you guys are so used to losing that you still think that leafs are utter trash, and are a wildcard team at best. LMAO. Get a reality check you delusional iiddddiooots.

Right? Perpetual rebuild. Most of these posters dont remember or weren't there before fergy, burke.nonis so all they know is the garbage burke spewed. Oh, not in first place, trade all for picks. They seem to think if your team is playing 82 games, with babcock as a coach and are in the position they are in trying to win every night that the boys will understand''nope, its a business, trade all ufa for picks'' like what planet are these people on?

 

[highslot]

Why do people whine about Rielly? He's played as a one 1D this year? Are you so triggered by the title? I would like to see the Leafs have two elite pairs. Personally I believe a Rielly-Gardiner pair would wreak the league if you could play Hainesy with an elite talent on another pair.

This is why you can't discuss hockey on this site you have posters devote all their energy to picking inane conflict.

We all understand Rielly is having a great year and is on a great contract, a contract so good we can discuss bringing in more talent on a bluleline that overall has issues.... f***

i think people overuse the word, 'triggered' too much due to a millennial trend to try and win points. i was simply pointing out that if rielly wasn't a 1d, then someone should be able to point to 30d, excuse me 31d better than him because there are 31 teams; my argument is that there aren't 31d better than him. i agree we can strengthen our blueline. i disagree that rielly isn't a #1. i don't think saying rielly is a 1d is an inane point; you may think so but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

also, if you choose a clickbait title, you should expect disagreements.

 

[LeafFever]

Funny how people say " This is not the year! " When leafs are top 5 in the NHL.

Leafs have beat Tampa 2 times out of 3 this season.... How is Tampa "miles better than the leafs". Come on, you guys are so used to losing that you still think that leafs are utter trash, and are a wildcard team at best. LMAO. Get a reality check you delusional iiddddiooots.

I've called people on this on here. we are still getting people saying the Leafs need to trade their UFAs for picks. It's pure insanity. That would not happen in any other market.
They are a top 5 team but no one seems aware.

 

[connormcmuffin]

There was more than 1 line making the Leafs look foolish last time they played.

Also, Heinen, Krejci, Spooner, Backes all say hi.

Even Debrusk and Nash are on pace for 40 pt seasons.

Krejci and Backes.. what if Boston picks up Ignila too? Those are tough match ups in 2012

Leafs beat Boston without Matthews and have a 3-1 record vs the Bruins on the season. Not scared of a average team one line team that played above their heads in January. Tarasenko-Schenn-Schwartz was thebest line in hockey until December, doesn't St.Louis scary in the West. Being the flavor of the month or two isn't a sample size to inspire fear.

 

[connormcmuffin]

i think people overuse the word, 'triggered' too much due to a millennial trend to try and win points. i was simply pointing out that if rielly wasn't a 1d, then someone should be able to point to 30d, excuse me 31d better than him because there are 31 teams; my argument is that there aren't 31d better than him. i agree we can strengthen our blueline. i disagree that rielly isn't a #1. i don't think saying rielly is a 1d is an inane point; you may think so but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

also, if you choose a clickbait title, you should expect disagreements.

I never said Rielly wasn't a 1D, 'clickbait title'???? What do I get for the clicks? Do I get ad revenue...

Rielly is a top 31 defenseman in the league? Nowhere near the mark of this thread.

'Clickbait title' epic post old man, now can we discuss the merits of the Leafs taking a run at another 1D or are Gen Xers too cool for that discussion?

 

[Barilko14]

Krejci and Backes.. what if Boston picks up Ignila too? Those are tough match ups in 2012

Leafs beat Boston without Matthews and have a 3-1 record vs the Bruins on the season. Not scared of a average team one line team that played above their heads in January. Tarasenko-Schenn-Schwartz was thebest line in hockey until December, doesn't St.Louis scary in the West. Being the flavor of the month or two isn't a sample size to inspire fear.

Month or 2 is a small sample, but you are claiming our 3 and 1 record vs them holds a lot of weight??

 

[ottomaddox]

Reilly's career is a good example of why the Leafs should look into McDonagh.

Many fans felt Reilly was the projected 1D. I think they felt that he was untouchable. He's good, but not great. He's not really a 1D.

Why fans now project Liljegren as a 1D is a head scratcher. How is it that he will project so high? Because he's a leaf?

 

[TeamBester]

Reilly's career is a good example of why the Leafs should look into McDonagh.

Many fans felt Reilly was the projected 1D. I think they felt that he was untouchable. He's good, but not great. He's not really a 1D.

Why fans now project Liljegren as a 1D is a head scratcher. How is it that he will project so high? Because he's a leaf?

Because he was slotted to go top 3 before missing a tonne of games in his draft year would be my guess.

Alao Babs hyping his "elite elite elite" skill would be another.

 

[connormcmuffin]

Month or 2 is a small sample, but you are claiming our 3 and 1 record vs them holds a lot of weight??

No you said, "Leafs look foolish last time they played." My response was the Leafs have a 3-1 record vs the Bruins...

So you think the Bruins are beasts, I think they're meh, are we done now?

 

[connormcmuffin]

Reilly's career is a good example of why the Leafs should look into McDonagh.

Many fans felt Reilly was the projected 1D. I think they felt that he was untouchable. He's good, but not great. He's not really a 1D.

Why fans now project Liljegren as a 1D is a head scratcher. How is it that he will project so high? Because he's a leaf?

Rielly QoC this season is what gives him a great case for being a legit 1D, the criticism is the sample size in relatively small. This is a breakout season for him I don't see him regressing. He's separating himself from the likes of TJ Brodie IMO and by the numbers. Is TJ a 1D? Or does Calgary have options to maximize him. I would like a situation where Babs can be creative and even find some sheltered minutes for Rielly for him to feast. Right now the Leafs are desperately dependent on Rielly and Gardiner's health. The need for another guy to carry a pair would put the Leafs on another level and create interesting options.

 

[LeafSteel]

Boy would Trouba be an incredible piece to have.

Winnipeg parts with him shortly after Hell freezes over, but damn..... he would fit this team like a glove.