Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD - New Update - (Post #1123)

[Canucks LB]

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[Baby Punisher]

Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic reports teams are calling Vancouver Canucks GM Patrik Allvin about a J.T. Miller trade with the Rangers being the most interested of those teams.

LeBrun feels a Miller trade could happen as early as this coming week if the right trade package comes up.

Looks like the Canucks are waiting until there are no HIGH END FA Forwards on the market, and hope a team gets desperate.

Really risky move, But no choice now honestly. Let's see if patience pays off.

No way Drury makes that trade. If he does he should be fired.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Yeah they will, because he won't get the same usage in whatever team he goes to. You aren't getting a 99 point center because unless you plan on playing him the same amount, and running your PP through him (Hint: the NYR PP runs through Panarin and Fox, better players than Miller), he's not putting up those numbers.

Miller would get slotted behind Zibanejad. He'd be the bumper on the PP. He'd be more leaned on to kill penalties. His role is different. The rangers aren't trading for a 1C, they are trading for a 2C.

You don't get Lafreniere for 1 year of a 2C. You don't get Schneider either. You could get Othmann, but he seems to be off the board. You could get Chytil. 1 and a conditional 3 (2 if ECF) are easy to add in. That would be the best package you could get for Miller.

And throw Nemeth in

 

[MarkusNaslund19]

It's a shame that hot take artists are the people least likely to learn from past mistakes.

Pepperidge farms remembers when Sakic was the hfboards whipping boy. The worst GM in the league. He had overplayed his hand with Duchene and there was no way it was going to work out. A bunch of artificial media-driven deadlines had passed and there was no way this was going to work out.

Now we have a ton of people telling us that the Canucks overplayed their hand because it didn't happen on draft day. Shall we try something novel like waiting a bit before we declare a winner and a loser? Maybe we can at least wait until the trade, you know, occurs?

There's something to be said for waiting to see where the chips fall after UFA day on the 13th. Forsberg's off the pile, maybe several teams are counting on filling a hole with the same player.

The Canucks allegedly not allowing teams to chat with Miller about extension before the draft could be a bad sign, or it could be that our GM doesn't want teams doing so until an extension can actually be signed.

For the record, I think that Canucks fans will be initially somewhat underwhelmed by the return and a bunch of dumbasses with zero accountability will crow that they were right and this is their crowning achievement.
But I expect a 1st in 23 from a probable contender and a good prospect or young player.

As an example, from Carolina, our fans were talking about Necas, Morrow, and a 1st. Maybe that becomes Necas, a 1st, and a 24 2nd or something (not saying it will be Carolina).

But I think our GM is waiting until he can get a package he is comfortable with and I'm more than happy to wait and see what he does.

 

[AHLdepth]

Yeah they will, because he won't get the same usage in whatever team he goes to. You aren't getting a 99 point center because unless you plan on playing him the same amount, and running your PP through him (Hint: the NYR PP runs through Panarin and Fox, better players than Miller), he's not putting up those numbers.

Miller would get slotted behind Zibanejad. He'd be the bumper on the PP. He'd be more leaned on to kill penalties. His role is different. The rangers aren't trading for a 1C, they are trading for a 2C.

You don't get Lafreniere for 1 year of a 2C. You don't get Schneider either. You could get Othmann, but he seems to be off the board. You could get Chytil. 1 and a conditional 3 (2 if ECF) are easy to add in. That would be the best package you could get for Miller.

Hey man totally fair, also we are interested in trading for Fox, but we will be using him as equipment manager therefore his new value is just that, so how about a 4th because I'm feeling generous?

Just arbitrarily saying he may not hit 99 points again, does not mean you are not trading for a 99 point guy. It's facts, it's statistically proveable if you want, he.....literally did score that. If you want to take a 99 point forward and misuse him fine, but that doesn't change his value right now.

 

[Godkolzin]

Alexis Lafreniere for JT Miller? What are the Canucks adding to the deal?

This is some sick joke. Miller is UNAFFORDABLE for the Rangers past this season. He's a rental. He's not worth the #1 pick in the 2020 draft.

You want to pawn him off to the highest bidder somewhere else, that's fine. Lafreniere is not being moved. Schneider is not being moved.

Go find another sucker to take Miller.

Sucker? Yeah a 100 point 2 way player that can play wing or centre, and was one of the best faceoff guys this past season... What kind of sucker team wants that?

Not NY, they can stick to losing to Tampa until their window closes. F*** them.

 

[Isles72]

Still after all this time and seeing Vancouvers roster on paper .........why are you trading JT Miller .

extend him already

 

[CanucksSayEh]

Still after all this time and seeing Vancouvers roster on paper .........why are you trading JT Miller .

extend him already

2 more days till free agency is open, I hope and think that's exactly what happens.

 

[rypper]

Still after all this time and seeing Vancouvers roster on paper .........why are you trading JT Miller .

extend him already

His age and contract doesn't fit the Canucks competitive window.

 

[JimmyG89]

Sucker? Yeah a 100 point 2 way player that can play wing or centre, and was one of the best faceoff guys this past season... What kind of sucker team wants that?

Not NY, they can stick to losing to Tampa until their window closes. F*** them.

And the Canucks can continue to miss the playoffs, be stuck in the "not our window phase", move out Pettersson at 25, and continue to sign the Tyler Myers, Jason Dickinson's, and Tanner Pearson's of the market.

You're not just going to be gifted the pieces of a Rangers rebuild that was explained to the fans. We're going to see this through.

And if you think the current Rangers window is closing anytime soon, hate to break it to you, but they've got plenty of assets and prospects coming to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Except the Rangers have Panarin, Kreider, Lafreniere and soon Othmann all on the left side. Something needs to be done or you end up playing guys out of position. One of these guys will be traded and it won't be the first two.

Good thing there is an opposite wing with multiple spots open. Players slide around ALL the time.

Jesus, some of the mental gymnastics some of you Nucks fans are doing to try to convince yourselves that Laf is available for one year of JT Miller must be exhausting.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah they will, because he won't get the same usage in whatever team he goes to. You aren't getting a 99 point center because unless you plan on playing him the same amount, and running your PP through him (Hint: the NYR PP runs through Panarin and Fox, better players than Miller), he's not putting up those numbers.

Miller would get slotted behind Zibanejad. He'd be the bumper on the PP. He'd be more leaned on to kill penalties. His role is different. The rangers aren't trading for a 1C, they are trading for a 2C.

You don't get Lafreniere for 1 year of a 2C. You don't get Schneider either. You could get Othmann, but he seems to be off the board. You could get Chytil. 1 and a conditional 3 (2 if ECF) are easy to add in. That would be the best package you could get for Miller.

Rangers should be resigning Strome then.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Sucker? Yeah a 100 point 2 way player that can play wing or centre, and was one of the best faceoff guys this past season... What kind of sucker team wants that?

Not NY, they can stick to losing to Tampa until their window closes. F*** them.

Why you triggered? Miller is a good player and would be a great add for the Rangers but he is viewed as a 1 year rental. There are not a lot of teams that are willing or able to extend him beyond that in a flat cap world for 8 mil per. I think Drury would offer a 2023 1st and a top prospect but that's about it. It seems like Vancouver is looking for more than that which is going to be difficult to get.

 

[nergish]

Good thing there is an opposite wing with multiple spots open. Players slide around ALL the time.

Jesus, some of the mental gymnastics some of you Nucks fans are doing to try to convince yourselves that Laf is available for one year of JT Miller must be exhausting.

Why would it be a one year rental, though? JT would literally be your best player. You move heaven and earth to keep him.

Vancouver would, but our team is simply not good enough around him to compete, so we're trying to get younger...

Keep the guy, he'd love to set his roots in New York.

 

[Canucks LB]

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[GoAwayPanarin]

Why would it be a one year rental, though? JT would literally be your best player. You move heaven and earth to keep him.

Vancouver would, but our team is simply not good enough around him to compete, so we're trying to get younger...

Keep the guy, he'd love to set his roots in New York.

It's a one year rental because they have so much money tied up in other guys who they just can't move. You can't move heaven and earth with you're locked down with movement clauses (not that Miller is a player that you move heaven and earth for.)

Regardless, you aren't gettin Laf for Miller, extension (which isn't possible with the Rangers current cap situation) or no extension. Look at what Fiala just got with and extension and while I'll concede that Miller has more value, he doesn't have THAT much more value.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

What does Vancouver gain by not allowing extension talks? They seem to be fumbling this whole situation.

 

[Canucks LB]

What does Vancouver gain by not allowing extension talks? They seem to be fumbling this whole situation.

It only makes sense if they still want to resign him.
or (imo) JT Miller's asking price is so astronomical, and they know that, The moment teams ask, they will just pass on the deal anyways.
Another thought is that he only want's to go to like 3/4 Cities, So even with no NTC, If a team won't be allowed to Sign him to an extension, It's kind of like he has a NTC anyways.

 

[wintersej]

JT has been a pleasant surprise, but he is 1 year away from cashing in like everyone else who has done less productivity than him in the previous 3 years. JT has earned that but the Canucks can NOT fix all the other areas we are weak at if we give JT a 8-9m long term full NMC, not when EP 40, Horvat, Boeser, Podkolzin, Hoglander, Kuzmenko all need deals in the next 2-3 years if we want to keep some or most of them and give them raises it will be next to impossible to improve the D or get a solid #3C while getting faster and adding sandpaper like management has stated.

JT deserves his raise, the Canucks can't afford to be that team to give it to him, a team who is already making the playoffs but not getting over the hump is a team(Carolina) that might splurge for JT to try and take them over the hump OR a team with an aging core that may want to try and win 1 more cup before they go through a full on rebuild (Pit/Bos)

Pittsburgh and Washington and Boston are not the same.

One of those teams has a young core to build around, but has old ass centers.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Why would it be a one year rental, though? JT would literally be your best player. You move heaven and earth to keep him.

Vancouver would, but our team is simply not good enough around him to compete, so we're trying to get younger...

Keep the guy, he'd love to set his roots in New York.

No he literally wouldn't be our best player. We would be acquiring him to be our 2c. Guys like Fox, Shesterkin, Zibanejad, Kreider(52 goals), and Panarin are seen as our top players. I would love to have him but it's just not going to be possible that we can extend him.

 

[JimmyG89]

JT would literally be your best player.

Miller wouldn't even be a top 5 player on the Rangers right now. Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Shesterkin, and Kreider are better players.

If Miller is this good, the Canucks should be re-signing him and building around him. Why are they not moving heaven and earth to make this happen?

 

[nergish]

No he literally wouldn't be our best player. We would be acquiring him to be our 2c. Guys like Fox, Shesterkin, Zibanejad, Kreider(52 goals), and Panarin are seen as our top players. I would love to have him but it's just not going to be possible that we can extend him.

JT Miller in 2022 is better than everyone there other than Shesterkin (and Zibanejad when he's going beast mode). If he's your 2C, you are a cup winning team...

 

[pman25]

What does Vancouver gain by not allowing extension talks? They seem to be fumbling this whole situation.

Seriously, it's beyond annoying at this point. Do they want to move the guy or not? The impression I get is that they don't know what they want to do. I wouldn't trade for him if i didn't know the guy was interested in an extension or not. Dumb situation all around and I don't know how vancouver fans have been keeping tabs on this for like 9 months now without going crazy

 

[Hunter368]

Sounds like whatever interest the Jets had is likely gone now, Rick B saying he's spoken with Mark and likes what he has to say about buying into Rick's system, Chevy saying Mark will be back next year. Sounds like Mark's frustration at the end of the year is now been reduced & redirected towards playing Rick's system next year. Plus lots of talk the Jets aren't trading PLD this summer and will spend the next year trying to get him to extend.

Looks like the Jets are out of the Miller chats, barring a offer for either Mark/PLD thats too good to refuse/overpayment.

 

[nergish]

Miller wouldn't even be a top 5 player on the Rangers right now. Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Shesterkin, and Kreider are better players.

If Miller is this good, the Canucks should be re-signing him and building around him. Why are they not moving heaven and earth to make this happen?

There are 48 pages in this thread alone, how are you still not aware of the situation for Vancouver?

JT has quite literally been a top 10 Vancouver Canuck of all time. We love him.
But Pettersson still weighs 175lbs soaking wet, and Quinn Hughes just got his first chin-hair. We're trying to get younger to line up with those guys, and we need to inject young talent.

Miller is the best trade chip our team has ever had, and we're trying to squeeze every last drop.