2018 NHL Entry Draft Thread

[jetsfaneh]

Does Myers with only one year left on his deal and a pretty extensive injury history really get a 1st round draft pick in return? Seems steep.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Does Myers with only one year left on his deal and a pretty extensive injury history really get a 1st round draft pick in return? Seems steep.

i think a mid round pick (20-ish spot) is warranted. With injury history, the pick may be conditional on injuries.

 

[truck]

Perrault to Montreal for an early 2nd and our 4th round pick back from the Morrow trade.

That sounds like a lost trade.

 

[truck]

i think a mid round pick (20-ish spot) is warranted. With injury history, the pick may be conditional on injuries.

The fact that he is big and played pretty much all of last season might be enough to undo those concerns.

 

[Zhamnov10]

Part2 to my upper post.

Jesse Ylönen is 2nd generation hockey player.
His father Juha played 341 games in NHL representing Phoenix Coyotes, Tampa Bay Lightning and Ottawa Senators.

Jesse 6'1 tall RW is an extremely agile forward and quick stickhandler who likes to play the game at a high pace.
This past season Jesse played 48 games in Espoo United mestis team and he scored 27 points ( 14+13).

Espoo United's season in mestis ( Finland's 2nd league after SM liiga) was a total farce.
Espoo United's team suffered with serious financial problems all season long and went bankruptcy after the season.
Next season Jesse plays in Pelicans Lahti SM liiga team he signed 2 yrs contract with Pelicans last month.

Jesse Ylönen at eliteprospects.com
Jesse Ylönen | FinnProspects.com



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https://thehockeywriters.com/sampo-ranta-2018-nhl-draft-prospect-profile/

Actually Ylonen played for the Jets in a couple of pre-season games looked really good him and Mika Alatalo were all over the ice.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

the top 100 from beginning of may. Woo and Ylonen are 45 and 47. Why did we need to finish as first place loser/2nd this year!!! I miss being a lower tier middling team come draft time.

https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-draft-rankings-may-top-100/

 

[ps241]

the top 100 from beginning of may. Woo and Ylonen are 45 and 47. Why did we need to finish as first place loser/2nd this year!!! I miss being a lower tier middling team come draft time.

https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-draft-rankings-may-top-100/

Yea once you are low enough in the draft 31st slot is much more attractive isn’t it?

 

[ps241]

The fact that he is big and played pretty much all of last season might be enough to undo those concerns.

Myers on an expiring deal could yield a 1st IMO. I assume he would at the TD but I have no interest risking the wait with his injury history.

 

[Daximus]

Myers on an expiring deal could yield a 1st IMO. I assume he would at the TD but I have no interest risking the wait with his injury history.

Yeah pull the trigger at the draft if you can.

 

[DRW204]

Does Myers with only one year left on his deal and a pretty extensive injury history really get a 1st round draft pick in return? Seems steep.

I think FLA might be a fit, they have the 15th OA. RD depth is Ekblad (signed long term), Pysyk (2 x 2.733M) and Petrovic (RFA). Depends if FLA covets a pure shut down D or an offensive catalyst. Also think EDM is a fit, but I think we would need to add a bit for the 10th.

 

[garret9]

That's trading up in picks. That's not trading surplus players for picks.

Same story. Perceived vs actual value.

 

[Whileee]

Same story. Perceived vs actual value.

I saw a somewhat interesting article that argued for a very flattened pick value outside of the top few picks, with the rationale that acquiring an elite player is way more valuable than getting a serviceable NHLer. It's an interesting theory, and if valid, would further argue for quantity over quality outside of the very top of the draft.

 

[truck]

Myers on an expiring deal could yield a 1st IMO. I assume he would at the TD but I have no interest risking the wait with his injury history.

Hard to sell that kind of move at the deadline.

 

[Whileee]

Hard to sell that kind of move at the deadline.

Yeah, I don't see the Jets selling at the deadline. I think that if they move roster players like Myers or maybe Perreault, it will be in the offseason and to make some cap space for another good roster player that fills a need. Hard to imagine they trade for pure futures now that they are a true Cup contender.

 

[ps241]

Hard to sell that kind of move at the deadline.

Yea that is a huge problem now for this team going forward and why I am curious to see what happens with Myers between now and the start of the season. If we don’t flip him this summer the risk of injury and or us being a playoff team really makes moving him later unlikely. It either means we are renting him for the playoffs or we are planning on keeping him long term which is crappy asset managment “if” we extend Trouba.

I doubt they want to trade him before they have Trouba locked up so this could be interesting.

 

[Daximus]

Yeah, I don't see the Jets selling at the deadline. I think that if they move roster players like Myers or maybe Perreault, it will be in the offseason and to make some cap space for another good roster player that fills a need. Hard to imagine they trade for pure futures now that they are a true Cup contender.

I would like someone who can step into the AHL right away at the least and a 1st preferably. Gives us something in the short and long term that can potentially replace aging assets. Even as a contender if you set yourself up well for the future you can handle losing some 33+ vets a little easier rather then give them big money contracts to stay because you have no one who can step in to fill their role.

 

[Jets 31]

Until i know that Trouba absolutely wants to stay a Jet , and is happy being here , i'm not trading Myers . Now if Trouba resigns a new deal then i would definitely look to trading Myers because we are going to need alot of cap space next off season .

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Same story. Perceived vs actual value.

How do you determine 'actual value'? Rhetorical.

Players who are surplus to a teams needs have a lower value to that team than they might to some other team that can use them. To a lesser extent the same goes for players in an area of strength who may be underutilized.

Are you suggesting that Chevy would be better off trading Myers for two (mid) 2nds than for one (mid) 1st?

 

[Daximus]

Until i know that Trouba absolutely wants to stay a Jet , and is happy being here , i'm not trading Myers . Now if Trouba resigns a new deal then i would definitely look to trading Myers because we are going to need alot of cap space next off season .

Yeah nothing will be done until we know what happens with Trouba I think that is a foregone conclusion in everyone's speculation.

 

[Maukkis]

If we don't draft this kid purely based on his name, I will be livid.

Semyon Der-Arguchintsev at eliteprospects.com

 

[garret9]

How do you determine 'actual value'? Rhetorical.

Players who are surplus to a teams needs have a lower value to that team than they might to some other team that can use them. To a lesser extent the same goes for players in an area of strength who may be underutilized.

Are you suggesting that Chevy would be better off trading Myers for two (mid) 2nds than for one (mid) 1st?

Rhetorical or not... determining "actual value" is kinda my job.

 

[garret9]

I saw a somewhat interesting article that argued for a very flattened pick value outside of the top few picks, with the rationale that acquiring an elite player is way more valuable than getting a serviceable NHLer. It's an interesting theory, and if valid, would further argue for quantity over quality outside of the very top of the draft.

I use expected value... so it doesn't account just for having a player but the likely calibre of the player.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Rhetorical or not... determining "actual value" is kinda my job.

Yeah, OK.

But that is relative, not absolute.

My question stands. Are you suggesting that two 2nds are better than one 1st?

Jets don't need quantity of prospects to fill the bottom of the roster. They need a few with the chance to play higher up.

They have some extras or players who don't fit the puzzle. If some of those assets can be converted into high picks then Chevy should do it.

 

[SML2]

We could use a WPG GM for the 10pm EST simdraft on draftwired.

http://draftwired.com:8888/apps/dwNHL

 

[Whileee]

We could use a WPG GM for the 10pm EST simdraft on draftwired.

http://draftwired.com:8888/apps/dwNHL

I'd recommend Garret9, though he's a ringer.

Daximus? Tailor made for this.