2016-17 roster

[Puckatron 3000]

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler
Perreault - Little - Stafford
Connor - Burmi - Armia
Lowry - Copp - Dano

-snip-

Trouba - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Morrissey - Postma

Just wanted to chime in and say this is pretty much my exact lineup too, given our current players. Dano might deserve higher, but he's the new guy so let him earn it I guess.

Also full on agree that Stafford is the first cut to make room for new talent. Resign Perreault.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I know it was a long time ago but Ehlers started in the 2LW hole last October. Sometimes that's where the best place for a new player is. With his talent and speed he belongs in the top 6 but yeah he'll probably need to be seasoned on the 3rd line.

I hope Burmi and Stafford are moved on from. Don't like those players.

I legit forgot about Dano. I guess he can fit in pretty much anywhere except ESW. I really don't know what kind of player he will become.

Are you talking about first half Burmi or current Burmi?

I don't see Armia on the 2nd line either. It could happen but not as soon as next year. I'll stick with my earlier lineup which didn't call for any surprise moves or any top 3 pick this year, just using players we have now.

I honestly believe Stafford should be traded at the draft. With what Petan has started to show and considering the difficulty we already have finding a good fit for him I just don't see a place for him on this team next year.

If I was to fantasize about this draft I would be a little less ambitious and take PLD or Chychrun. Neither make the team next year. PLD would give Burmi a year or two to build up some trade value before he takes over at 3C. Burmi could move to the 4th line and be a very good PK'er or be traded for something worthwhile. Right now he doesn't get much return and he has been playing quite well for the last 20 games.

Perreault Schiefele Wheeler
Connor Little Ehlers
Petan Burmi Armia
Copp Lowry Dano
Connor and Petan may be switched some of the time. I switched Copp and Lowry just to be different. I really like that 4th line either way though. At some point Connor pushes Perreault down but that may take until the next year.

Trouba Byfuglien
Enstrom Myers
Morrisey Postma

Two important things about that D. The top 4 are getting top 4 minutes and Stu isn't there.

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

If I had my choice I would buyout Pav and Hutch would be the backup but this is more likely.

I think that is a pretty high quality lineup. There are no gaping holes anywhere. It will suffer from inexperience for at least 1 more year and upgrading significantly beyond there will be difficult. We will still have quality players pushing up from below but they will be mostly bottom 6/pair players. After this draft it is going to become a lot more difficult to get top 6, top 4 players. Further improvement will be slow.

 

[Samcanadian]

Are you talking about first half Burmi or current Burmi?

I don't see Armia on the 2nd line either. It could happen but not as soon as next year. I'll stick with my earlier lineup which didn't call for any surprise moves or any top 3 pick this year, just using players we have now.

I honestly believe Stafford should be traded at the draft. With what Petan has started to show and considering the difficulty we already have finding a good fit for him I just don't see a place for him on this team next year.

If I was to fantasize about this draft I would be a little less ambitious and take PLD or Chychrun. Neither make the team next year. PLD would give Burmi a year or two to build up some trade value before he takes over at 3C. Burmi could move to the 4th line and be a very good PK'er or be traded for something worthwhile. Right now he doesn't get much return and he has been playing quite well for the last 20 games.

Perreault Schiefele Wheeler
Connor Little Ehlers
Petan Burmi Armia
Copp Lowry Dano
Connor and Petan may be switched some of the time. I switched Copp and Lowry just to be different. I really like that 4th line either way though. At some point Connor pushes Perreault down but that may take until the next year.

Trouba Byfuglien
Enstrom Myers
Morrisey Postma

Two important things about that D. The top 4 are getting top 4 minutes and Stu isn't there.

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

If I had my choice I would buyout Pav and Hutch would be the backup but this is more likely.

I think that is a pretty high quality lineup. There are no gaping holes anywhere. It will suffer from inexperience for at least 1 more year and upgrading significantly beyond there will be difficult. We will still have quality players pushing up from below but they will be mostly bottom 6/pair players. After this draft it is going to become a lot more difficult to get top 6, top 4 players. Further improvement will be slow.

One heck of a fun team to watch, that's for sure.

 

[northendninja]

Perreault Schiefele Wheeler
Connor Little Ehlers
Petan Burmi Armia
Copp Lowry Dano

Trouba Byfuglien
Enstrom Myers
Morrisey Postma

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

I agree with Stafford being gone... Im a realist and dont think the Jets will be picking top 4, which means the pick wont be ready for the NHL next year..

Ideally, I would love to replace Burmi with Helm... Who wants to play for the Jets, and is better than burmistrov in every regard other than age (faceoffs, speed, PK, etc)

I also think we will get Hamonic.. not sure how exactly, but I dont think it will take Trouba..perhaps; blackhawks 1st, morrissey and burmi (we can dream)

my ideal:

Ehlers Schiefele Wheeler
Connor Little Perrault
Petan HELM Armia
Copp Lowry Dano

Trouba Byfuglien
Enstrom Myers
Chiarot Hamonic

Hellebuyck
Pavelec (likely stuck with him another year)

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree with Stafford being gone... Im a realist and dont think the Jets will be picking top 4, which means the pick wont be ready for the NHL next year..

Ideally, I would love to replace Burmi with Helm... Who wants to play for the Jets, and is better than burmistrov in every regard other than age (faceoffs, speed, PK, etc)

I also think we will get Hamonic.. not sure how exactly, but I dont think it will take Trouba..perhaps; blackhawks 1st, morrissey and burmi (we can dream)

my ideal:

Ehlers Schiefele Wheeler
Connor Little Perrault
Petan HELM Armia
Copp Lowry Dano

Trouba Byfuglien
Enstrom Myers
Chiarot Hamonic

Hellebuyck
Pavelec (likely stuck with him another year)

You give up Morrissey in a trade for Hamonic and there will be consequences fella'. Seriously, he is the only LHD we have after Enstrom. I don't like your deal any better than all the Trouba deals. Let Snow keep Hamonic.

I'd be happy to get Helm but I don't see that happening unless Chevy signs him as a UFA.

 

[10Ducky10]

Helm is an UFA after this season and a HUGE upgrade at our 3C.
Moving on from Staf and sitting Thorbs makes us a LOT smaller. Lemieux brings some size back to the team. Stuart, Postma and Thorbs in the pressbox...

Perreault Little Wheeler
Connor Schiefele Ehlers
Lowry Helm Armia
Lemieux Copp Dano

Morrissey Byfuglien
Enstrom Trouba
Chychrun Hamonic

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

4 rookies

 

[Puckatron 3000]

4 rookies

Armia and Dano are pretty rookie-ish too. So practically 6 rookies.

That ups the ante from a youth movement to a youth tsunami.

Helluva lot of talent though.

 

[garret9]

I'm not certain Helm is an upgrade on Burmistrov, let alone big upgrade.

If the recent Burmi is the real Burmi, Helm is a downgrade.
If the first 40 games is the real Burmi, Helm is a slight upgrade.
If the 2011-13 Burmi is the real Burmie (or being between the two above options), they are about equal.

 

[winnipegger]

I agree that Stafford doesn't seem to fit with this group. I think we are going to see a very Tampa Bay lightning-esque team form from what the Jets were in the past. I also happen to think this is the future in the NHL so I'm glad we are starting down that road.

I just don't see room for Burmistrov if prospects hit their projected ceilings. Possibly on the 4th line, but I rather like the idea of a Lowry Copp Lemieux 4th line.

 

[Saidin]

Since we all know the Jets are slowest to do any changes to their roster, if you had one choice for next season would you get rid of Pavs or Stuart?

 

[garret9]

Since we all know the Jets are slowest to do any changes to their roster, if you had one choice for next season would you get rid of Pavs or Stuart?

#oof... that is a tough call...

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Helm is an UFA after this season and a HUGE upgrade at our 3C.
Moving on from Staf and sitting Thorbs makes us a LOT smaller. Lemieux brings some size back to the team. Stuart, Postma and Thorbs in the pressbox...

Perreault Little Wheeler
Connor Schiefele Ehlers
Lowry Helm Armia
Lemieux Copp Dano

Morrissey Byfuglien
Enstrom Trouba
Chychrun Hamonic

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

4 rookies

I like that D! The F's are good also but I think I prefer Petan's skill on the 3rd. We are smaller but better. Size for its own sake is not an advantage. If you have a 180 lb 30 goal scorer and a 210 lb 30 goal scorer which one scores more goals?

 

[Puckatron 3000]

#oof... that is a tough call...

No kidding.

That's like going to the hospital and being asked, would you like the bullet removed from your spleen, or the hatchet from your skull?

If we're talking Pavs as starter, I think you gotta pick him first.
If we can play Pavs as backup, then Stu goes first.

 

[csk]

Since we all know the Jets are slowest to do any changes to their roster, if you had one choice for next season would you get rid of Pavs or Stuart?

at this point any icetime for Stu is bad... but with pav a select few starts is manageable

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I agree that Stafford doesn't seem to fit with this group. I think we are going to see a very Tampa Bay lightning-esque team form from what the Jets were in the past. I also happen to think this is the future in the NHL so I'm glad we are starting down that road.

I just don't see room for Burmistrov if prospects hit their projected ceilings. Possibly on the 4th line, but I rather like the idea of a Lowry Copp Lemieux 4th line.

Why not? How not? Never mind that not ALL prospects will hit their ceilings.

It depends on who we draft first this year. It depends on who plays wing and who plays C. I can see that Burmi might be pushed down but I certainly don't see how he must be pushed down.

 

[Gil Fisher]

As much as I'd love Hamonic, if we're going after a D, it makes much more sense to go after Hampus Lindholm (or Sami Vaatanen).

 

[royalwoodJet]

I'd rather move Perreault to center than put Burmi there on the 3rd line. I have nothing against Burmi, Lowry, Copp and Dano, as long as they're on the 4th line where they deserve to be at this stage.

 

[northendninja]

I'm not certain Helm is an upgrade on Burmistrov, let alone big upgrade.

If the recent Burmi is the real Burmi, Helm is a downgrade.
If the first 40 games is the real Burmi, Helm is a slight upgrade.
If the 2011-13 Burmi is the real Burmie (or being between the two above options), they are about equal.

Really? From what I can tell from advanced stats, it's not even close. Also, helm destroys him at faceoff %... Can't track down penalty kill comparison, but I think helm easily takes the cake there as well.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No kidding.

That's like going to the hospital and being asked, would you like the bullet removed from your spleen, or the hatchet from your skull?

If we're talking Pavs as starter, I think you gotta pick him first.
If we can play Pavs as backup, then Stu goes first.

To be fair, if Pav can be the backup then Stu should be in the PB.

Both going to start? My seat of the pants guess is that both are worth about 1 goal against per game - and it isn't the same goal! Or is it? With no injuries Pav would play ~65 games = 65 GA. Stu would play 82 games = 82 GA. So it is Stu! Scientifically arrived at answer using sound analysis of data.

 

[puck stoppa]

Helm is an UFA after this season and a HUGE upgrade at our 3C.
Moving on from Staf and sitting Thorbs makes us a LOT smaller. Lemieux brings some size back to the team. Stuart, Postma and Thorbs in the pressbox...

Perreault Little Wheeler
Connor Schiefele Ehlers
Lowry Helm Armia
Lemieux Copp Dano

Morrissey Byfuglien
Enstrom Trouba
Chychrun Hamonic

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

4 rookies

I really like your first line. I wanted MP as third line centre but that top line you have could take tough matchups and succeed. Line two looks good too, they may not start the season together but I think they will finish it. Your bottom six is where I disagree. I prefer:

Petan Burmi Dano
Lowry Copp Armia

As for D I like
Enstrom Buff
Morrissey Trouba
Chych Myers

All in all much to choose from no doubt!

 

[10Ducky10]

We have Stu for two more years and Pavs for one so I would get rid of Stuart.

stoppa,
I had troubles throwing Armia on the 3rd because I really think he needs to play with offensively gifted players. I would never play him on the 4th.
I also didn't know what to do with Petan...

 

[puck stoppa]

After my previous post I came to the realization that Petan will start in the AHL for another unless Stafford is moved. I am very high Petan, but I think one more year of half of a year of AHL big minutes won't hurt him. When he steps back into the NHL I want him on the second line. He looked good with good players the other nights and had no problem with the big minutes. This thread is frustrating cause I just want to fast forward to the following year where I feel our young guys are ready to roll:

Ehlers Scheif Wheeler
Connor Little Petan
Armia MP Dano
Lowry Copp Lemieux

Losing Staff and Burmi will not hurt us that year. I think one of them could be moved this off season to make room for more young guys. I mean where does a guy like Pulju fit in if next season if we somehow draft him. I like the lineup above quite a bit for 2017 season. Im starting to think we grab a dman if we drop to 5 or 6. I trust Chevy will pick the right one.

 

[CaptainChef]

Really? From what I can tell from advanced stats, it's not even close. Also, helm destroys him at faceoff %... Can't track down penalty kill comparison, but I think helm easily takes the cake there as well.

We really seriously have to get better in the dot. Don`t see any developing faceoff specialists on our roster, so yes I`m all in on the Helm UFA sweepstakes. Any decent faceoff/defensive specialists out there on the UFA market?

 

[Mud Turtle]

Ehlers Scheif Wheeler
Connor Little Petan
Armia MP Dano
Lowry Copp Lemieux.

I'm good with this lineup. Maybe Burmi in on the 4th line. I would like him available for the pk.

If we could get a decent dman for Stafford and a prospect I'd be very happy.

 

[garret9]

Really? From what I can tell from advanced stats, it's not even close. Also, helm destroys him at faceoff %... Can't track down penalty kill comparison, but I think helm easily takes the cake there as well.

I never talk about FO% because I frankly don't care much at all about it.

In terms of advance stats, Helm had one crazy good year in relCorsi% last year, but Burmi has the 2nd and 3rd best season (2011-12 and 2012-13).

Burmi struggled at the start of this year, but he seems to be trending back upwards to how he was previously.

Player PK% would be so system and goaltender impacted that you wouldn't be able to really use it.