You know the great thing about being a young kid sitting in the pressbox? If you have any fire in your belly, you'll end up spending your off season that much more motivated and dedicated to make the team next year. Not following a system based on entitlement is a good thing. It separates the players that are expendable from those who have the potential to be something important to the Leafs organization in the future. The NHL is such a high level of competition, if you rely simply on skill with no hard work, you'll never realize your potential and ultimately you work to realize your dream only to let yourself down.
Marlies Discussion: 12'/13' Marlies Part I|Looking Forward.
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You know the great thing about being a young kid sitting in the pressbox? If you have any fire in your belly, you'll end up spending your off season that much more motivated and dedicated to make the team next year. Not following a system based on entitlement is a good thing. It separates the players that are expendable from those who have the potential to be something important to the Leafs organization in the future. The NHL is such a high level of competition, if you rely simply on skill with no hard work, you'll never realize your potential and ultimately you work to realize your dream only to let yourself down.
bonjovi0308
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Poor guys like Hamilton and Colborne have to go through this final period meltdown twice! Maybe they will need a therapist.
bonjovi0308
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What do you think Ashton's role to be in the NHL - Defensive specialist, Checking forward or does he have NHL calibre offense? It might be a little early, but how do you compare Ashton to Tyler Biggs down the road?
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Theyre not even close imo.
I don't think Ashton will ever be a Leaf. He might make the NHL in another org. but I don't think he'll ever crack our lineup.
Ashton just doesn't have it imo. He's okay at a few things but not a good enough skater, playmaker, checker etc. to be more than a tweener.
I like Biggs game more. Offensively Ashton has more skills, but Biggs is much better rounded physically and defensively. I think thats what puts him on a crash course to the NHL. He has what it takes to be a good checking forward.
Someone can try and convince me otherwise, while i watched quite a few Marlies games; I know he had a pretty up and down year.
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People are going to bring up the fact that it takes longer to develop a power forward than others and justifiably so. The difference between the 2 types is that a guy like Biggs will have to learn how to go through you and Ashton still has to learn how to do more of a puck possession type of game and use the body strength and size to lean on people.
They both have the potential to be good forwards in the show, but if they don't learn how to utilize it at the junior age (Biggs) and AHL level (Ashton) then its not going to get any easier.
Regarding the 'play the kids' sentiment I believe some are looking at it the wrong way. The 'entitled vets' and the 'kids' are supposed to compete for spots, and Eakins is supposed to simply ice the best lineup possible. If Scott is a better option than Biggs, so be it. Eakins usage has to reflect this dynamic, the vets have to be the standard bearers, it's the prospects responsibility to craft the narrative.
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The problem I have is on defence. The Marlies (and leafs) rely on limited players to execute simple systems and make simple plays. The problems occur when those simple systems get shut down and these limited players are forced to think and execute and ultimately give the puck away. For instance Marshals breakout consists of ringing it off the glass and his wingers head or soft little suicide passes
The Marlies have dynamic defence men who can move the puck but chose not to use them. It is an organizational / systems problem because Gardiner was not used either until injuries forced the leafs. If Fraser and Kostka hadn't gotten hurt the leafs would have gone down in 5.
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What a bizarre situation where the Marlies go out in such a similar way.
Not good days for Toronto...
—Leafs choke out in historical fashion
—Marlies choke out
—Blue Jays...'nuff said.
—Raptors
—Rob Ford
—Don Cherry
Think about that for a minute. The most monumental laughing stock quite possibly in the entire civilized world.
You forgot TFC, the worst of the bunch.
Eakins played the crap out of Gardiner, literally playing half the games, Carlyle I just don't understand. I'll agree with you there. Also, Eakins has been playing Reilly quite a bit, no?
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sommervr
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Eakins dressed seven D and only used Rielly on one PP.
Instead of recognizing how GR was shutting down the Marlies he did the opposite and stopped playing his PMD which all happen to be kids
I don't want Eakins anywhere near the leafs if he is going to coach like this
Unfortunately, things end the same for the Buds as they did the Leafs.
We have seen progression in some guys this year. Ross really started to blossom in the second half of the season, and the play of Rielly is something to be excited about as well.
I'll be happy to see guys like Granberg and MacWilliam have full-time spots next year, and we can get rid of plugs like Marshall and Mottau.
Our top 4 D next year should look something like:
Granberg Blacker
Percy MacWilliam
You balance out your two better skating D-men, with two defensively responsible D-men.
Blacker and Granberg is a great pairing, if Blacker doesn't crack the lineup out of camp. A physical pairing that skates well, and Granberg's simple, steady game, can allow Blacker opportunity to play offensively.
Percy gets to play next to Andy Mac, who is a punisher, and very responsible, and tough to play against. This will allow Percy to work a little more on his offensive game as well.
We have seen progression in some guys this year. Ross really started to blossom in the second half of the season, and the play of Rielly is something to be excited about as well.
I'll be happy to see guys like Granberg and MacWilliam have full-time spots next year, and we can get rid of plugs like Marshall and Mottau.
Our top 4 D next year should look something like:
Granberg Blacker
Percy MacWilliam
You balance out your two better skating D-men, with two defensively responsible D-men.
Blacker and Granberg is a great pairing, if Blacker doesn't crack the lineup out of camp. A physical pairing that skates well, and Granberg's simple, steady game, can allow Blacker opportunity to play offensively.
Percy gets to play next to Andy Mac, who is a punisher, and very responsible, and tough to play against. This will allow Percy to work a little more on his offensive game as well.
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I think theres very little chance of Ashton having much offence down the road. He should hopefully be a solid 3rd liner thats strong defensively, has size, and can put up points in a supporting role (under 40 points).
Biggs I think has a bit more offence. He'll also be a Marlie full time next season. I think we'll see Sparks, McKegg, Biggs, Percy and maybe a few others start to take over some of teh key roles next season (on the Marlies).
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Marlies would need to find a legitimate PMD. Too bad Rielly wont be AHL elligible. I like that blueline from a defensive standpoint though.
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Playoffs Points
Leading scorers with 9 points each:
Scott 24
Zigomanis 32
D'Amigo 22
Last year
Dupuis 27 - 14 points
Frattin 24 - 13 points
D'Amigo 21 - 13 points
This year:
4 out of top ten scorers for Marlies were under 25.
8 out of top ten scorers for Barons were under 25.
I guess you have to have kids before you can play them?
I only bring this up because there was a lot of talk about how much fail there was with the Barons this season and how the Marlies were the runner-up last year. How full the cupboard was, and how the bottom wrung Oilers farm team was a joke.
So now the question is the cupboard as full as believed, and if the problem coaching?
Blacker, Rielly, Marshall the cream of the Marlies prospects on defense?
Leading scorers with 9 points each:
Scott 24
Zigomanis 32
D'Amigo 22
Last year
Dupuis 27 - 14 points
Frattin 24 - 13 points
D'Amigo 21 - 13 points
This year:
4 out of top ten scorers for Marlies were under 25.
8 out of top ten scorers for Barons were under 25.
I guess you have to have kids before you can play them?
I only bring this up because there was a lot of talk about how much fail there was with the Barons this season and how the Marlies were the runner-up last year. How full the cupboard was, and how the bottom wrung Oilers farm team was a joke.
So now the question is the cupboard as full as believed, and if the problem coaching?
Blacker, Rielly, Marshall the cream of the Marlies prospects on defense?
I'm not sure I would describe it as a full cupboard anyway, but most of the prospects we have worth mentioning are fresh out of junior(Leivo, Biggs, Finn, Percy, Rielly, Sparks). Are the Baron's under-25's that fresh?
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3rd line winger, who will score 15 goals a year. He's a dirty area scorer, strong on the wall, hits and checks. I think he Mcclement, Komarov, Frattin, maybe even Kule will be slotted into the 3rd line role. Macarthur is probably done as a Leaf, he ended his career on a high point with us, we thank him for his contributions, but Ashton is likely ready, as is Frattin and Colborne.
Carter was actually a Right winger in junior, so that is a plus for us, can play either wing, came on nicely after returning from injury.
ULF_55
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Yes, the Oilers have players fresh out of junior and a potential Rielly in Klefbom in Sweden. Mind you they also have Yakupov from the Rielly draft, RNH and Gernat from the Biggs draft, Hall and Marincin from the McKegg/Ross draft.
I guess one good thing about the 1st. overall picks, no one is harping on their other picks about being busts because the focus is on the "stars" of the draft.
Paajarvi this year started to look like he was worthy of his selection, but their fans could always focus on other 1st. rounders who were playing in the NHL. Leafs fans weren't so lucky it was more or less Kadri or bust as they didn't have the luxury of other high 1st. rounders.
Will be interesting to see how the Flames do with their 3 first rounders this year and if they try and do an accelerated rebuild, or a slow and steady rebuild. Unloading Iginla and Bouwmeester did land them some "free wallet" type of prospects.
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