Marlies Discussion: 12'/13' Marlies Part I|Looking Forward.

[Duffman955]

I just put where I assume Eakins will play guys, Biggs will have to earn a spot in the Top 6.

True, but it is quite hard to earn a top6 spot when you only get to play about 5-7 minutes a game.

 

[Drakkor]

True, but it is quite hard to earn a top6 spot when you only get to play about 5-7 minutes a game.

Its not that hard if you have the skill and work hard in practice and games. Take advantage of your opportunities.

Coaches will take notice and ice time increases. The onus isn't on the coaches but the players to earn the time.

 

[ULF_55]

Its not that hard if you have the skill and work hard in practice and games. Take advantage of your opportunities.

Coaches will take notice and ice time increases. The onus isn't on the coaches but the players to earn the time.

Over the summer he'll work on his quickness and show up at camp ready to compete for a Marlies job.

Leafs should have learned from the Schenn, Kadri experiments what they have to focus on with their players now.

If you can't keep up it doesn't matter how big you are.

 

[Drakkor]

Over the summer he'll work on his quickness and show up at camp ready to compete for a Marlies job.

Leafs should have learned from the Schenn, Kadri experiments what they have to focus on with their players now.

If you can't keep up it doesn't matter how big you are.

Absolutely right. There is a progression to development. Some take longer but as an organisation all they can provide is the tools and opportunity. It is then on the player to take advantage of it.

 

[goonx]

Over the summer he'll work on his quickness and show up at camp ready to compete for a Marlies job.

Leafs should have learned from the Schenn, Kadri experiments what they have to focus on with their players now.

If you can't keep up it doesn't matter how big you are.

Gary roberts seems to have a good program

 

[ULF_55]

Gary roberts seems to have a good program

As long as his students are willing to go the extra mile and learn and live the nutrition part of the program.

 

[mikebel111*]

As long as his students are willing to go the extra mile and learn and live the nutrition part of the program.

Remember Roberts only invites the people that are the most committed.

 

[FreeBird]

Remember Roberts only invites the people that are the most committed.

Now that Joe is out in Dallas maybe the Leafs hire Roberts, not likely though.

 

[Gardiner Expressway]

With Greg Scott signing in the SEL, can someone mock up a potential lineup for the Marlies next year? I know we are far from a finished roster, but curious to see what the top6/bottom6 will look like

 

[TmlHockeyFan]

Remember Roberts only invites the people that are the most committed.

This is OT, but does anyone know if Kadri is going under Gary Roberts training program again?

 

[mikebel111*]

This is OT, but does anyone know if Kadri is going under Gary Roberts training program again?

I wish I knew, but I don't know, but he should

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I don't care if he goes to mars and the green martian helps him out. I just hope whoever, be it kadri or colborne, work their butts off during the summer after a good break so they are well prepared physically and mentally for next season.

 

[Duffman955]

I don't care if he goes to mars and the green martian helps him out. I just hope whoever, be it kadri or colborne, work their butts off during the summer after a good break so they are well prepared physically and mentally for next season.

Amen. I think Colborne may prosper in a sheltered 3rd line like Kadri enjoyed this season.

 

[ULF_55]

Amen. I think Colborne may prosper in a sheltered 3rd line like Kadri enjoyed this season.

He played okay in the playoffs, but didn't really do anything to make one believe he's going to be a difference maker.

Still young, but 2 year older than Ryan Johansen in Columbus and almost 2 years old than Burmistrov in Winnipeg.

I'm not holding my breath that he's really anything more than a depth forward.

 

[Duffman955]

He played okay in the playoffs, but didn't really do anything to make one believe he's going to be a difference maker.

Still young, but 2 year older than Ryan Johansen in Columbus and almost 2 years old than Burmistrov in Winnipeg.

I'm not holding my breath that he's really anything more than a depth forward.

Its time to "play the kids".


He will get a shot next year. He has the tools, but can he put it together?

Time will tell

 

[Magic Man]

With Greg Scott signing in the SEL, can someone mock up a potential lineup for the Marlies next year? I know we are far from a finished roster, but curious to see what the top6/bottom6 will look like

Leivo - McKegg - Abbott (RFA)
Ross - Ryan - D'Amigo
Ashton - Carrick - Biggs
Devane - Crescenzi - Broll
ex. Lasch

Percy - Blacker
Marshall (RFA) - Granberg
MacWilliam

Sparks
Owuya (RFA)

 

[Number13]

Leivo - McKegg - Abbott (RFA)
Ross - Ryan - D'Amigo
Ashton - Carrick - Biggs
Devane - Crescenzi - Broll
ex. Lasch

Percy - Blacker
Marshall (RFA) - Granberg
MacWilliam

Sparks
Owuya (RFA)

Did he want an all-prospect team, or an actual marlies lineup projection? There will always be a vet or two.

 

[JackJ]

Leivo - McKegg - Abbott (RFA)
Ross - Ryan - D'Amigo
Ashton - Carrick - Biggs
Devane - Crescenzi - Broll
ex. Lasch

Percy - Blacker
Marshall (RFA) - Granberg
MacWilliam

Sparks
Owuya (RFA)

Did he want an all-prospect team, or an actual marlies lineup projection? There will always be a vet or two.

Leivo - McKegg - Abbott
Ross - Zigomanis - D'Amigo
Ashton - Ryan - Biggs <- This line will be exciting to watch
Devane - Carrick/Crescenzi - Broll

 

[ULF_55]

Leivo - McKegg - Abbott (RFA)
Ross - Ryan - D'Amigo
Ashton - Carrick - Biggs
Devane - Crescenzi - Broll
ex. Lasch

Percy - Blacker
Marshall (RFA) - Granberg
MacWilliam

Sparks
Owuya (RFA)

Did he want an all-prospect team, or an actual marlies lineup projection? There will always be a vet or two.

Leivo - McKegg - Abbott
Ross - Zigomanis - D'Amigo
Ashton - Ryan - Biggs <- This line will be exciting to watch
Devane - Carrick/Crescenzi - Broll

Well, perhaps they are going to "play the young adults" afterall?

D'Amigo, Ashton, Marshall, Ryan, Holzer, Abbott, Brenner, Blacker have been around a while now anyway.

I suspect they'll sign a couple AHL veterans, and their RFA's.

Hopefully they rely more on their prospects, regardless of who the coach is. If the GM doesn't fill the team with vets, the coach has no choice.

 

[kilgro]

How are they not prospects? And lol at naming Brenner amongst them

 

[JEI]

With Greg Scott signing in the SEL, can someone mock up a potential lineup for the Marlies next year? I know we are far from a finished roster, but curious to see what the top6/bottom6 will look like

Drew MacIntyre (UFA)
Garret Sparks
Mark Owuya (RFA)

I believe Rynnas is walking this summer. Going back overseas. Ideally, I think you have MacIntyre and Owyua as your Marlies goalies. Sparks would be better served in a starters role in the ECHL I think. Give him minutes and go with a solid duo at the AHL level. MacIntyre needs a contract, but sure as hell earned one from the Leafs.

Jesse Blacker,
Pettr Granberg,
Stuart Percy,
Andrew MacWilliam,
Kevin Marshall,

I think Kevin Marshall brings a needed element and is young enough. I don't see a need to re-sign Simon Gysbers or Mike Mottau really. But, with the depth on D there's not a ton there if injuries arise, so potential is there for them to return. Figuring Holzer moves on in some capacity (I imagine a 7th spot with the Leafs or trade). Dylan Yeo is on an AHL deal, and could be brought back as a utility player [they've used him on D and F similar to Josh Engel a few years ago]. Marlies could potentially bring in UFA signings which always seem to happen.

Spencer Abbott,
Will Acton, (UFA)
Carter Ashton,
Tyler Biggs,
David Broll,
Sam Carrick,
Andrew Crescenzi,
Jerry D'Amigo,
Jerry Devane,
Ryan Hamilton (UFA)
Josh Leivo,
Greg McKegg,
Brad Ross,
Kenny Ryan,
Mike Zigomanis (UFA)

Potential is there for D'Amigo and Ashton to compete for bottom-six spots if the Leafs want to go that route with youth, but both could easily be back again. Hamilton, Zigomanis and Acton are counted on heavily by the current Marlies staff, so I can imagine a big push to bring them back for veteran presence. However, Hamilton had a great season and could look to potentially cash in if the opportunity arises elsewhere (not that he would get a ton, but maybe a bump in his base salary that the Leafs might not be willing to make). There isn't a ton of natural center depth and that's a reason to bring Zigomanis back. Acton is a strong depth player for the club who had a strong playoff offensively. I won't be shocked either way with him, but I think he does add something to be the bottom-six. Question is, is it worth having him or a younger player in the lineup. Ryan Lasch I think they need to let go - didn't do anything for me although he brings a skill element to a rather plain forward group. I just think times better served for other young forwards.

 

[Magic Man]

Did he want an all-prospect team, or an actual marlies lineup projection? There will always be a vet or two.

Well, sure there will be.

They are not under contract though. Not much too go off they could sign literally anyone to fill in.

Likely that Hamilton and Zigomanis come back, I think. Outside of that your just throwing darts at a wall. There isn't much speculation in my post. Just the group of players there is to go off.

 

[Gardiner Expressway]

Drew MacIntyre (UFA)
Garret Sparks
Mark Owuya (RFA)

I believe Rynnas is walking this summer. Going back overseas. Ideally, I think you have MacIntyre and Owyua as your Marlies goalies. Sparks would be better served in a starters role in the ECHL I think. Give him minutes and go with a solid duo at the AHL level. MacIntyre needs a contract, but sure as hell earned one from the Leafs.

Jesse Blacker,
Pettr Granberg,
Stuart Percy,
Andrew MacWilliam,
Kevin Marshall,

I think Kevin Marshall brings a needed element and is young enough. I don't see a need to re-sign Simon Gysbers or Mike Mottau really. But, with the depth on D there's not a ton there if injuries arise, so potential is there for them to return. Figuring Holzer moves on in some capacity (I imagine a 7th spot with the Leafs or trade). Dylan Yeo is on an AHL deal, and could be brought back as a utility player [they've used him on D and F similar to Josh Engel a few years ago]. Marlies could potentially bring in UFA signings which always seem to happen.

Spencer Abbott,
Will Acton, (UFA)
Carter Ashton,
Tyler Biggs,
David Broll,
Sam Carrick,
Andrew Crescenzi,
Jerry D'Amigo,
Jerry Devane,
Ryan Hamilton (UFA)
Josh Leivo,
Greg McKegg,
Brad Ross,
Kenny Ryan,
Mike Zigomanis (UFA)

Potential is there for D'Amigo and Ashton to compete for bottom-six spots if the Leafs want to go that route with youth, but both could easily be back again. Hamilton, Zigomanis and Acton are counted on heavily by the current Marlies staff, so I can imagine a big push to bring them back for veteran presence. However, Hamilton had a great season and could look to potentially cash in if the opportunity arises elsewhere (not that he would get a ton, but maybe a bump in his base salary that the Leafs might not be willing to make). There isn't a ton of natural center depth and that's a reason to bring Zigomanis back. Acton is a strong depth player for the club who had a strong playoff offensively. I won't be shocked either way with him, but I think he does add something to be the bottom-six. Question is, is it worth having him or a younger player in the lineup. Ryan Lasch I think they need to let go - didn't do anything for me although he brings a skill element to a rather plain forward group. I just think times better served for other young forwards.

Thanks for this.

Some questions:

1) Noticed McKegg at centre in the other post. Are they playing him in the top 6 as a C? If promoted (obv not happening this year) will he play at centre or on the wing?

2) Ashton in the bottom 6 in the other post... that common? I know his NHL role is bottom 6, but does he play top 6 on the Marlies?

3) Blacker had a pretty lackluster year... Will he be still be getting top 2 D minutes with Holzer? What can we expect from Percy or Granberg as far as D minutes go?

4) Biggs, D'Amigo, Ryan... Any thoughts on whether they play primarily top or bottom 6 next year?

5) Abbott is a pretty small and shifty skill guy from what I gather. Does that mean he's a top 6 or bust prospect? Seems tough to trust him in a checking/grinding role on the big team.

Thanks for the answers... Pretty hard to get trustworthy prospect info that isn't your typical rehashed tripe!

 

[Anth93]

Amen. I think Colborne may prosper in a sheltered 3rd line like Kadri enjoyed this season.

You can't shelter two lines.

 

[JEI]

Thanks for this.

Some questions:

1) Noticed McKegg at centre in the other post. Are they playing him in the top 6 as a C? If promoted (obv not happening this year) will he play at centre or on the wing?

Believe they've used him at both center and wing this year. He's been top-nine/top-six most of the season.

2) Ashton in the bottom 6 in the other post... that common? I know his NHL role is bottom 6, but does he play top 6 on the Marlies?

He's not bottom-six with the Marlies. He's one of their better scorers when healthy.

3) Blacker had a pretty lackluster year... Will he be still be getting top 2 D minutes with Holzer? What can we expect from Percy or Granberg as far as D minutes go?

Blacker was fine this year IMO. But I think next year is a big year for him to assert himself at the AHL level. Percy and Granberg should both slide into the top-six I imagine. Percy hasn't looked out of place at all when he's played, and Granberg has been playing vs. men for a while. I imagine he may take over Holzer's role as more of a primary PK guy.

4) Biggs, D'Amigo, Ryan... Any thoughts on whether they play primarily top or bottom 6 next year?

D'Amigo has potential for top six, I think both Ryan and Biggs are bottom-six. For Biggs, it's his first year and there are more offensively gifted players in front of him at this point. He'll see his role increase as he develops. Ryan is more of a PK/Defensive specialist. I think you'll see him take much more of a primary PK role now that Scott is gone.

5) Abbott is a pretty small and shifty skill guy from what I gather. Does that mean he's a top 6 or bust prospect? Seems tough to trust him in a checking/grinding role on the big team.

I've felt he's top-six or bust. He was a solid point producer as a rookie this year (although an older rookie at 24). He's 25 so his time is really 'now'. Should he continue to progress from this season he should be one of the teams leading scorers next season.

Carlyle likes to call-up players to play to their skills so if someone in the top-six/nine goes down, he could be one of the first call-ups to slot into an offensive position (again, depending on who goes down to injury). Leafs were really lucky in that regard this season with only Lupul going down in their top-six. They didn't have to face a ton of adversity in that regard, but next year may be different over an 82 game schedule.

The unfortunate part of having a small camp this past season was that a lot of players didn't get the chance to show themselves at the NHL level through exhibitions. And while an argument can be made that those players could have 'earned' their way through with their play at the AHL level, sometimes an NHL training camp provides them with an opportunity to stick. There's a bit more opportunity/creativity given during training camp, where during an NHL season the lifespan of a call-up can be rather short and limited to depth duty.