Rumor: Zach Hyman is signing in Edmonton - Done deal per James Mirtle

[foshizzle]

Man the Oilers board is hilarious

They’re all so salty Dubas didn’t do them a free favour. Honestly not taking the late pick was definitely worth the amount of Oilers tears we’re going to see.

Hopefully Holland goes full Holland and it’s 6.5x7

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

 

[Havoc]

See if I were Leafs GM, I would have traded the negotiating rights of Hyman to Edmonton for a conditional 6th rounder before I allowed anyone to talk to him (standard operating practice for dealing exclusive rights), and the condition being if they come to a successful agreement and need a sign and trade to complete it for and 8th year, that 6th becomes a 3rd or 4th thereafter.

Then there is a clear understanding where each side fits and the cost of doing business.

Setting Hyman and his agent free to negotiate with anyone and everyone and then tell teams you want compensation afterwards without any previous understanding and agreement established really isn't a strong bargaining position. IMO

This trade gets rejected which is obvious by now.

Then what?.....

 

[Mats13]

Something that’s being ignored is that Hyman is a very flawed player (not a bad one, but flawed).

He excels with Auston Matthews and William Nylander (miss me with the soft euro bullshit, the facts are the facts) because those two are great along the boards and in front of the net.

All Hyman has to do is cause chaos and those two do the rest. The Edmonton stars are rush players. Nothing wrong with that but their game is very different. I don’t think Hyman is going to mesh well with them and they’re quickly going to have a 3rd liner making big bucks.

Hyman lacks playmaking, vision, puck handling and quite frankly holds the puck far too long. He got away with these things as the hard working life long Leafs fan. That won’t be the case in Edmonton. This isn’t blowing up in years 5-7. It’s going to blow up in year 1.

 

[foshizzle]

f*** the Oilers.

How? Oilers pay one less year and keep the pick. If anyone gets screwed it’s the leafs and Hyman. 400k cap savings is peanuts

 

[paulhiggins]

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

Leafs have had enough of keeping the agents happy. Do you think that's what GMs do? "Extra year" bit is off the wall too.

 

[Sypher04]

How? Oilers pay one less year and keep the pick. If anyone gets screwed it’s the leafs and Hyman. 400k cap savings is peanuts

400k cap savings is absolutely not peanuts. I'd think anyone following our Leafs team would see that by now.

 

[PromisedLand]

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

The Leafs board is divided on few that think Dubas is a whizkid with 4D chess acumen

and others who think

Dubas is a legend in his own mind; he doesn't know anything and absolutely sucks



So any Leaf fan replies to you one way or another; remember this post and don't paint all the leafs fans with the same brush

 

[Mats13]

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

This is pro sports. Not a charity.

The Leafs are not here to do the Oilers favours.

Look around at who’s upset. Oilers fans and Oilers management. Wanna know why? Oilers wanted all the benefits without giving anything to the Leafs.

Looks like you’re shit outta luck. Enjoy 7 years of a player passed his prime.

 

[PromisedLand]

whats the over/under Holland called his bff (babcock) and asked his opinion on Hyman

 

[KuleminFan41]

LOL if only Kyle played hardball with our 3 amigos instead of the Oilers on something so insignificant like the difference between a 6th and a 3rd or 4th.

You go Kyle but when we needed you to grow a pair, you shrivelled up.

Well, I'm curious, what would your contracts look for the big 3? Now, if they don't sign and miss the season and the Leafs miss the playoffs, would you take the blame or put the blame entirely on the player?

 

[Jmo89]

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

Our GM is enough of a pushover. He's already weak to player agents, he doesn't need the same rep among GMs. It's no different than what the reigning 2x GM of the year (Lou) did with PAP.

Now toodles to your own board.

 

[Kurtz]

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

Lol. It's the same total money - Hyman would obviously prefer to get that same money over 7 years rather than 8, but is doing Oilers a favour. Why would he or the agent be upset over this?

Oilers fans don't appear to be too bright, especially if they don't see how tying up an extra half mil for the next 7 years is worse than just LTIRing him in year 8.

 

[Nylander88]

Remember when Kadri led the team in scoring and then signed away UFA years for a 400k raise?
Are those days of taking a deal to stay with Toronto gone? f***ing Hyman.

I'm likely in the minority I think, but Id welcome Kadri back next year in free agency. The dude played with heart and he didn't wanna go. Did everything in his power to block a trade. Bring him back to play LW for one of the top two lines

 

[Mess]

This trade gets rejected which is obvious by now.

Then what?.....

If that trade gets rejected then how in the H-E- double hockey sticks does Kyle expect to get a 3rd or 4th now realistically if the Oilers wouldn't even agree to that compensation before they got started?

Leafs would still have a draft pick compensation, just like when TB dealt Barclay Goodrow to the NYR for a 7th to talk to him prior to UFA season that should have been the minimum the Leafs did to have other teams talk to Zach now.

 

[PromisedLand]

How? Oilers pay one less year and keep the pick. If anyone gets screwed it’s the leafs and Hyman. 400k cap savings is peanuts

400K is peanuts depending on how the cap is structured for you.

400K is gold for the Leafs because our cap structure is a JOKE; same may not be true for other teams.

You guys already had Neal eating up 5.75 in cap and now you also added Keith for 5.5. Both will be off your cap in 2 years to give you 10 million cap relief but depending how the roster shapes up for you guys 400K could be quite a bit or nothing.

In the Leafs land 400K will be quite a bit for a foreseeable future

 

[Nylander88]

LOL if only Kyle played hardball with our 3 amigos instead of the Oilers on something so insignificant like the difference between a 6th and a 3rd or 4th.

You go Kyle but when we needed you to grow a pair, you shrivelled up.

By all accounts a young, inexperienced GM. That said, it's encouraging to see he's learning and that there's growth there. There's worse things than overpaying stars

 

[Sypher04]

Oilers fan here. 7 years is actually better for the Oilers, and keep the pick. What you are seeing from Oilers fans (and pretty much everyone else) how this makes any sense for Toronto and Dubas’ logic of thinking it’s like “cap space”. Players and, more importantly, their agents remember how you screwed their clients out of getting paid for an extra year. Not the best business decision.

Yeah, this simply isn't true.
The Leafs are in absolutely no way obligated to sign and trade Hyman to help Edmonton's cap situation and foregoing that help won't reflect poorly on them in any way. Hell, there's a reason sign and trades almost never happen.
By virtually every report out there, Hyman is getting his money either way, so this is all about protecting Edmonton's cap. If Edmonton wants that, they can rightfully pay for it.

5.5x7 vs 5x8 are fairly equivalent offers.

Toronto did right by the player letting him negotiate early. They really should not be expected to go out of their way to do anything else for a player choosing to leave.

 

[Sypher04]

400K is peanuts depending on how the cap is structured for you.

400K is gold for the Leafs because our cap structure is a JOKE; same may not be true for other teams.

You guys already had Neal eating up 5.75 in cap and now you also added Keith for 5.5. Both will be off your cap in 2 years to give you 10 million cap relief but depending how the roster shapes up for you guys 400K could be quite a bit or nothing.

In the Leafs land 400K will be quite a bit for a foreseeable future

400k is significant for every team, but sure it's not equivalent between teams.

 

[All Mod Cons]

When your GM uses the word narrative, you just know your in trouble and it's his way and no other way. I don't know if he sounds like his fans, or his fans sound like him, but it's troublesome to have someone like that in charge.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

6th rounder so that EDM can offer a UFA 500k more on Wednesday than they otherwise could.

That UFA could be a guy the Leafs are in on too. Maybe it isn't - but it could be.

6th rounder is peanuts - not worth helping a team out and potentially hurting yourself in the market this upcoming week when you're competing with EDM for UFAs.

 

[PromisedLand]

400k is significant for every team, but sure it's not equivalent between teams.

teams like the leafs spending to the cap the 400K cap releif means ALOT; teams that are not spending to the cap 400K doesn't mean much; hell its not even the league minimum for one player.

 

[Sypher04]

When your GM uses the word narrative, you just know your in trouble and it's his way and no other way. I don't know if he sounds like his fans, or his fans sound like him, but it's troublesome to have someone like that in charge.

lol. You are making a mountain of a molehill.

 

[Sypher04]

6th rounder so that EDM can offer a UFA 500k more on Wednesday than they otherwise could.

That UFA could be a guy the Leafs are in on too. Maybe it isn't - but it could be.

6th rounder is peanuts - not worth helping a team out and potentially hurting yourself in the market this upcoming week when you're competing with EDM for UFAs.

Yup, that's an excellent point. Any money you actively partake in saving for a competitor, when you really aren't getting anything out of it, could come back to bite you if you're in on the same player.

 

[Havoc]

If that trade gets rejected then how in the H-E- double hockey sticks does Kyle expect to get a 3rd or 4th now realistically if the Oilers wouldn't even agree to that compensation before they got started?

Leafs would still have a draft pick compensation, just like when TB dealt Barclay Goodrow to the NYR for a 7th to talk to him prior to UFA season that should have been the minimum the Leafs did to have other teams talk to Zach now.

Yeah so we're in the same spot we are now. Your plan just confirms we get nothing straight from the get go because Holland will reject it right away and just wait until free agency.

Your plan more supports that dubas letting teams talk to him for free is the better option because when Holland actually does have an 8 year deal in place , the odds of getting that 3rd or 4th increase. The fact the two sides are in a stalemate even with the 8 year deal made proves your plan is too aggressive and not a good idea.

Leafs can still get the 6th right now if they wanted. They can't get it when Holland rejects your condition from the get go

 

[All Mod Cons]

lol. You are making a mountain of a molehill.

Anyone who uses the word narrative is extremely immature. If he'd have slipped "agenda" in there, all hope would be lost