Zach Hyman A.K.A Babcock's Son Appreciation Thread

[saltming]

prove it

Look it up

 

[Knightnight]

Look it up

why should I. You are the one stated an opinion with no facts. Show me the data he helps that line.

 

[Mess]

What a beauty of a goal for Zach for his 1st on the season.

 

[Zybalto]

Just gonna drop this in here and then run away:

Last year goals/60 minutes in the NHL 5v5(200 min played min):

1. Matthews
186. Hyman
196. Stamkos
203. Scheifele
206. Barkov
207. Larkin
213. Nylander
224. Backstrom
230. Forsberg

 

[saltming]

why should I. You are the one stated an opinion with no facts. Show me the data he helps that line.

Educate yourself!
Feed a man a fish he eats for a day. Teach him how to fish he will eat forever.

 

[saltming]

Just gonna drop this in here and then run away:

Last year goals/60 minutes in the NHL 5v5(200 min played min):

1. Matthews
186. Hyman
196. Stamkos
203. Scheifele
206. Barkov
207. Larkin
213. Nylander
224. Backstrom
230. Forsberg

6X31=186
Spot on

 

[smitty10]

Last year Hyman produced offensively 5v5, as he got no pp time, equal to guys like Oshie. His production is top 6 equivalent.
Secondly Hyman plays a role on his line and does it extremely well.

No he doesn't!

Watch him out there. Look at the number of opportunities he blows in the offensive zone. Watch him misplay the puck, miss the net or shoot the puck right into the goalies chest when he has a glorious chance.

He's probably the most frustrating player I've seen since we had to watch Joey Crabb play with Kessel.

Amazed that there are still people who don't appreciate what Hyman brings.

I don't appreciate watching a player constantly pull down his linemates. It's not his fault that he's played in a top 6 role, but this is the result of Babcock's unwarranted infatuation with him.

He did the same thing in Detroit with plugs like Dan Cleary, Brett Lebda and others over the years. Hyman is just his newest love affair.

 

[saltming]

No he doesn't!

Watch him out there. Look at the number of opportunities he blows in the offensive zone. Watch him misplay the puck, miss the net or shoot the puck right into the goalies chest when he has a glorious chance.

He's probably the most frustrating player I've seen since we had to watch Joey Crabb play with Kessel.




I don't appreciate watching a player constantly pull down his linemates. It's not his fault that he's played in a top 6 role, but this is the result of Babcock's unwarranted infatuation with him.

He did the same thing in Detroit with plugs like Dan Cleary, Brett Lebda and others over the years. Hyman is just his newest love affair.

The number disagree with you

 

[Liminality]

why should I. You are the one stated an opinion with no facts. Show me the data he helps that line.

It's really not that hard to look up if you're talking about the stats comment he had.

Hyman had 38 EVP last year. That ties him for 88th in the league.

He was tied with guys like Zetterberg, Perry, Killorn, Marleau and Riley Nash.
He had 1 more EVP than guys like Couture, Johansen and Craig Smith
He had 1 less EVP than guys like Williams and Laine.
He had 2 less EVP than guys like Brassard, Skinner, Debrincat, Toews, JT Miller, Lee and Bailey.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't appreciate watching a player constantly pull down his linemates. It's not his fault that he's played in a top 6 role, but this is the result of Babcock's unwarranted infatuation with him.

He did the same thing in Detroit with plugs like Dan Cleary, Brett Lebda and others over the years. Hyman is just his newest love affair.

He's not pulling down anyone.

 

[saltming]

What a beauty of a goal for Zach for his 1st on the season.

Reminds me of this

 

[Liminality]

He's not pulling down anyone.

Hyman has a role and he knows it. Nobody is saying he's a superstar but Hyman compliments the top lines and for some reason people don't like that.

 

[hotpaws]

Amazed that there are still people who don't appreciate what Hyman brings.

i'm still amazed people believe he should play 20 mins on a top line , shocked actually

 

[Liminality]

i'm still amazed people believe he should play 20 mins on a top line , shocked actually

I'm amazed people can't look at the context of the minutes still.

5 on 5 minutes

Tavares 16:42
Hyman 16:12
Marner 16:06

It's as if they're on the same line, isn't that weird?

PK minutes

Hyman 4:00
Marner 1:45
Tavares 0:42

Strange, he seems to be getting a lot of PK minutes. Damn you again Babcock!

 

[hotpaws]

I'm amazed people can't look at the context of the minutes still.

5 on 5 minutes

Tavares 16:42
Hyman 16:12
Marner 16:06

It's as if they're on the same line, isn't that weird?

PK minutes

Hyman 4:00
Marner 1:45
Tavares 0:42

Strange, he seems to be getting a lot of PK minutes. Damn you again Babcock!

and now he's also getting a couple of mins on the pp , 22 mins for the great Zach Hyman lol

but i will apologize for constantly forgetting the rule that lines have to be set the entire game and that's why Hyman gets the exact same even strength ice time as JT

 

[Liminality]

and now he's also getting a couple of mins on the pp , 22 mins for the great Zach Hyman lol

but i will apologize for constantly forgetting the rule that lines have to be set the entire game and that's why Hyman gets the exact same even strength ice time as JT

Doesn't it make sense that linemates have roughly the same amount of minutes? Doesn't mean that Hyman is a superstar first liner. He's put in that role that he does and he is in a set line.
It's quite easy to understand I'm not sure why you're so angry about it.

 

[hotpaws]

Doesn't it make sense that linemates have roughly the same amount of minutes? Doesn't mean that Hyman is a superstar first liner. He's put in that role that he does and he is in a set line.
It's quite easy to understand I'm not sure why you're so angry about it.

hey if you believe Hyman should play the mins he does who am i to say you're wrong

there must also have been a few fans who also believed a washed up Cleary and and unskilled Abdelker/Glendening also deserved the mins they got in Det

 

[Knightnight]

6X31=186
Spot on

Yeah except he averages 2nd most icetime on team last year for forwards. If he was playing bottom 6 minutes without one of the most prolific scorers in the league last year he would be in the bottom 50. 34 and 29 inflated his numbers period

 

[smitty10]

Hyman has a role and he knows it. Nobody is saying he's a superstar but Hyman compliments the top lines and for some reason people don't like that.

People don't like it because he doesn't actually compliment them. His mediocre stats are a result of his star linemates, not the other way around.

Look at Kasperi Kapanen. He has taken a spot in the top 6 and has been very productive with his time. He is a skilled player and does everything Hyman did and more. He struggled offensively in the bottom 6, but has enough skill to take advantage of playing with good linemates. Kappy's putting up numbers Hyman has never been able to while playing the same role.

That's why Hyman is so frustrating to watch. You see guys with actual offensive talent flourish playing with these stars, while Hyman continues to be mediocre at best.

 

[Stephen]

Hyman has a role and he knows it. Nobody is saying he's a superstar but Hyman compliments the top lines and for some reason people don't like that.

He's also pretty robust and can take a beating.

 

[Stephen]

People don't like it because he doesn't actually compliment them. His mediocre stats are a result of his star linemates, not the other way around.

Look at Kasperi Kapanen. He has taken a spot in the top 6 and has been very productive with his time. He is a skilled player and does everything Hyman did and more. He struggled offensively in the bottom 6, but has enough skill to take advantage of playing with good linemates. Kappy's putting up numbers Hyman has never been able to while playing the same role.

That's why Hyman is so frustrating to watch. You see guys with actual offensive talent flourish playing with these stars, while Hyman continues to be mediocre at best.

But on the Marleau-Matthews-Kapanen unit, Kapanen was replacing Nylander's skill role.. Marleau would compare to Hyman but obviously he doesn't bring the same crash and bang hustle.

 

[smitty10]

He's not pulling down anyone.

You don't believe Marner and Tavares would be more productive playing with a more offensively talented player? How does this guy have 1 goal while playing 14 games with Mitch Marner and John Tavares this season? And the goal he scored was with 20 seconds left in the game and kicked in by the opposing player.

 

[saltming]

Yeah except he averages 2nd most icetime on team last year for forwards. If he was playing bottom 6 minutes without one of the most prolific scorers in the league last year he would be in the bottom 50. 34 and 29 inflated his numbers period

So your initial argument was wrong and now you nitpick?

 

[hotpaws]

You don't believe Marner and Tavares would be more productive playing with a more offensively talented player? How does this guy have 1 goal while playing 14 games with Mitch Marner and John Tavares this season? And the goal he scored was with 20 seconds left in the game and kicked in by the opposing player.

this is where Saltming arrives and argues for years there's no way anyone could know if Marner and Tavares could be productive without the Hyman doing his thing

 

[saltming]

this is where Saltming arrives and argues for years there's no way anyone could know if Marner and Tavares could be productive without the Hyman doing his thing

Hahaha
I don't think you should be speaking on my behalf