Steve Yzerlland
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Speculation: Yzerman's first move.
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I seriously doubt Byram will fall, but that would be a pretty incredible turnaround in terms of the talent on the back-end.
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Or we could wait til 2020 keep all those guys and still have Trouba,...Draft Byram, trade Cholo, 2 2nds, Kuffner and Glenny/Svech for a signed Trouba
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Yup if Trouba makes it abundantly clear to Cheveldayoff, That he wants to go home to Detroit. We can just wait and sign him for free on July 1st 2020. And keep our assets.
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True, I’ll settle for Turcotte and Trouba...
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You know nobody would be more excited about that than me...
At least Turcotte isn't a Wolverine too. I want Trouba but it is going to be alarming that my two favorite players on the team are going to have come from U of M if they do get him. Tough pill to swallow as a life-long Spartan fan, that and the only locked in Wings Spartan remaining should be sent to Grand Rapids... Big pressure on Hirose I guess to help, maybe he can come up into Gator's spot...
If Turcotte is our pick I am going to be over the moon.
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Been crossing my fingers for Byram to fall. We'll need some luck but all it'll take is 2-3 teams reaching on someone. And with how close this draft is can anyone from 3-7 really be considered a reach? Just gotta hope Chicago, Colorado and LA like a centre more.
If we could add Byram and make a trade for Trouba or sign Karlsson that would be a game changer. At that point I would hope we make a play for Duchene this offseason since we wouldn't be drafting a C with the 6th OA.
But then the toughest positions to fill would almost all be filled. Top 6 C tandem in Larkin/Duchene, top pair in Trouba/Karlsson and Byram (eventually), full of quality wingers and depth on D with Hronek/Cholowski/McIsaac coming up. In that scenario we might even challenge for the playoffs next season IMO.
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You know nobody would be more excited about that than me...
At least Turcotte isn't a Wolverine too. I want Trouba but it is going to be alarming that my two favorite players on the team are going to have come from U of M if they do get him. Tough pill to swallow as a life-long Spartan fan, that and the only locked in Wings Spartan remaining should be sent to Grand Rapids... Big pressure on Hirose I guess to help, maybe he can come up into Gator's spot...
If Turcotte is our pick I am going to be over the moon.
Too bad Afanasyev decommitted from MSU, I could see Stevie liking him in round 2.
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I don't think they would be ready for a couple years, but man we would enter the season with a lot more excitement. They would be better, but our young guys have some developing to do still in my opinion. Duchene is likely to cost a pretty penny, I could get behind it, he also has wing flexibility if Veleno knocks his development out of the park. We will see. Is important to remember that we are going to need to pay these young guys too at some point. The lesson that Toronto and Winnipeg are showing the league, if you believe in your young core you need to be careful about how close you push up to the cap before paying all those guys.
AA, Mantha, Bert eventually Hronek are not going to be cheap players more than likely.
I would just be excited to be having positive conversations around here for what would seem like the first time in three or four years.
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Everyone of those mentioned are expendable assets for us (Cholo if we somehow get Byram). I understand your numerous responses to not wanting to trade for him BUT it's a large possibility he doesn't make it to FA. Even worse is someone in our division gets Trouba and we have to play him for the next 8 or 9 years.
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He's really not though. He has been below average in those minutes and hasn't really performed at what I could an acceptable level for a 3rd pairing defenceman. He's being paid 4.5M for the next 5 years and while 4.5M in 4 or 5 years may not be much it's still an enormous amount of dead cap space to have on your roster. He may be able to bounce back but if a GM trades for him and gives anything of value up he's setting himself up to be in awful position. Personally, the only contract worse than Zaitsev's is Lucic's and according to some research/framework I've created his value is so far into the negative that the Leafs would need to move multiple 1sts to encourage a team to take on that contract.
The news about Trouba is interesting. I think I'm still in the "slow build" camp, but if we could Cholowski+2nd for him I think that's something I'd jump on, especially if he had indicated he would re-sign. I still think we need to identify our core players before we start moving assets that may not fit in with our timeline. As of now we have Larkin that is a true core piece and I'd like to believe we could add Mantha+Hronek to it after next season. I don't think Bertuzzi/AA would ever be true core pieces for me, while they're good players they're also the type that teams can sometimes become too committed to and give them contracts that are a little out of line with their true value.
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It's really not that easy, having such a tunnel vision approach is truly unfortunate.
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Rather have "tunnel vision" than pure fear and FOMO to motivate me to give away assets...
But if he's willing to talk to only four teams instead of eight (or twelve or whatever) that's still going to depress his value a bit. I agree that he'll get more signed than unsigned, but we still don't know how much (if at all) he'd force down that list of possible teams.
There you go, Zaitsev and Nylander for Trouba.
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The better question is why would the Jets accept a cap dump and Nylander for Trouba. I'm sure a deal could be made between them without that terrible Zaitsev contract coming back.
They'd have around $13 million left to re-sign Laine and Connor, and fill out some depth spots. Nylander would give them the youth and depth to look at shipping out someone like Pereault and cleaning up their cap a bit. Also, Winny is going to have to get a D somewhere this summer. Re-signing Trouba wouldn't be cheap. For a few million more, they get a top4 D and a top6 forward. I think that would be worth some roster juggling.
He's not far removed from that 36 point season, and I think it depends how much Winny sees him as being willing to accept and adapt to the role of shut down D while still being able to go on the offensive again, or if the offensive side of his game just abandoned him.
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Come on man, how is giving away expendable assets to fill our biggest need considered fear? That's what smart GM's do, it's common sense.
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How do you know Cholowski is expendable? And how do you know Trouba's plan isn't to sign with Detroit as a UFA?
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Roy actually kicked Vernon and Osgood's asses if you rewatch those fights lol.
Yea Roy was a badass fighter, but the Ozzie thing is so impressive cuz he was just a little tyke and held his own.
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