That's why stats shouldn't be the end of all in evaluating this. Duncan may be the best defensive player ever.I find it interesting that Duncan is almost universally listed, but David Robinson isn't...
At their best, the stats clearly show Robinson was the superior player
That's why stats shouldn't be the end of all in evaluating this. Duncan may be the best defensive player ever.
Duncan was way more skilled and talented than Robinson, hence the nickname the big fundamental. Also arguably the smartest player to ever lace em up. Robinson was freakishly athletic and put up some big numbers on bad Spurs teams, but theres a reason the Spurs started winning championships when Duncan showed up.I find it interesting that Duncan is almost universally listed, but David Robinson isn't...
At their best, the stats clearly show Robinson was the superior player
What was your eye test? He could jump higher than Duncan? LolOkay then...based on the eye-test, Robinson was better than Duncan...
Duncan was way more skilled and talented than Robinson, hence the nickname the big fundamental. Also arguably the smartest player to ever lace em up. Robinson was freakishly athletic and put up some big numbers on bad Spurs teams, but theres a reason the Spurs started winning championships when Duncan showed up.
Duncan was also allowed by the refs to switch his pivot foot, a luxury not afforded to most players.Duncan was way more skilled and talented than Robinson, hence the nickname the big fundamental. Also arguably the smartest player to ever lace em up. Robinson was freakishly athletic and put up some big numbers on bad Spurs teams, but theres a reason the Spurs started winning championships when Duncan showed up.
Both West and Robertson make my all-time team.Not a lot of love for the Logo here? Until MJ came along he was probably the greatest scoring guard of all time. I know a lot of old timers hold him in much higher regard than Oscar.
I find it interesting that Duncan is almost universally listed, but David Robinson isn't...
At their best, the stats clearly show Robinson was the superior player
Season | Winner | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th |
1990-91 | Jordan | Magic | Robinson | Barkley | K. Malone |
1991-92 | Jordan | Drexler | Robinson | K. Malone | Ewing |
1993-94 | Olajuwon | Robinson | Pippen | Shaq | Ewing |
1994-95 | Robinson | Shaq | K. Malone | Ewing | Olajuwon |
1995-96 | Jordan | Robinson | Hardaway | Olajuwon | Pippen |
Season | Winner | 2nd | 3rd | 4th | 5th |
1997-98 | Jordan | K. Malone | Payton | Shaq | Duncan |
1998-99 | K. Malone | Mourning | Duncan | Iverson | Kidd |
1999-00 | Shaq | Garnett | Mourning | K. Malone | Duncan |
2000-01 | Iverson | Duncan | Shaq | Webber | Garnett |
2001-02 | Duncan | Kidd | Shaq | McGrady | Kobe |
2002-03 | Duncan | Garnett | Kobe | McGrady | Shaq |
2003-04 | Garnett | Duncan | J. O'Neal | Stojakovic | Kobe |
2004-05 | Nash | Shaq | Nowitzki | Duncan | Iverson |
2006-07 | Nowitzki | Nash | Kobe | Duncan | LeBron |
Most of the greats were allowed some sort of leeway in that regard. That would be like arguing that Lebron isnt great because he was allowed an extra step on a travel or MJ because he got extra whistles driving to the hoopDuncan was also allowed by the refs to switch his pivot foot, a luxury not afforded to most players.
Top 5 in MVP voting;
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Season Winner 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 1990-91 Jordan Magic Robinson Barkley K. Malone 1991-92 Jordan Drexler Robinson K. Malone Ewing 1993-94 Olajuwon Robinson Pippen Shaq Ewing 1994-95 Robinson Shaq K. Malone Ewing Olajuwon 1995-96 Jordan Robinson Hardaway Olajuwon Pippen [TBODY] [/TBODY]
Season Winner 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 1997-98 Jordan K. Malone Payton Shaq Duncan 1998-99 K. Malone Mourning Duncan Iverson Kidd 1999-00 Shaq Garnett Mourning K. Malone Duncan 2000-01 Iverson Duncan Shaq Webber Garnett 2001-02 Duncan Kidd Shaq McGrady Kobe 2002-03 Duncan Garnett Kobe McGrady Shaq 2003-04 Garnett Duncan J. O'Neal Stojakovic Kobe 2004-05 Nash Shaq Nowitzki Duncan Iverson 2006-07 Nowitzki Nash Kobe Duncan LeBron
Duncan easily had a better career. More MVPs, Finals MVPs, First Team Selections, Defensive Team Selections, and was the best player on 4/5 chip winning teams. He was robbed of a couple DPOYs as well.I find it interesting that Duncan is almost universally listed, but David Robinson isn't...
At their best, the stats clearly show Robinson was the superior player
Your eyes aren't working properly if they are telling you Robinson is the better of the two. Even though I doubt you watched either play. If you did, you'd know how outlandish your claim is.Okay then...based on the eye-test, Robinson was better than Duncan...
Duncan easily had a better career. More MVPs, Finals MVPs, First Team Selections, Defensive Team Selections, and was the best player on 4/5 chip winning teams. He was robbed of a couple DPOYs as well.
Your eyes aren't working properly if they are telling you Robinson is the better of the two. Even though I doubt you watched either play. If you did, you'd know how outlandish your claim is.
Your eyes aren't working properly if they are telling you Robinson is the better of the two. Even though I doubt you watched either play. If you did, you'd know how outlandish your claim is.
If you want to boil it down to just stats (which is ridiculous, but clearly the only thing you care about), then how about this stat.My eyes seem to be able to read these stats just fine though...
Top 3 PER seasons:
Duncan: 27, 27, 27.1
Robinson: 29.1, 29.4, 30.7
Top 3 Win Shares seasons:
Duncan: 13.2, 16.5, 17.8
Robinson: 17.5, 18.3, 20
Top 3 Box Plus Minus seasons:
Duncan: 7.6, 7.6, 8.5
Robinson: 9.2, 9.4, 11.9
Top 3 Victory Over Replacement Player seasons:
Duncan: 6.7, 7.7, 8.0
Robinson: 8.3, 8.7, 11.4
If you want to boil it down to just stats (which is ridiculous, but clearly the only thing you care about), then how about this stat.
Robinson
- 0 championships without Duncan
- 2 championships with Duncan
Duncan
- 2 championships with Robinson
- 3 championships without Robinson
It's too bad he was surrounded with a motley crew of worker bees during his prime.