Your overall rating of Chia on a scale of 1-10

[BoldNewLettuce]

He’s a modern day Mike Milbury. The Seguin, Hall and Barzal trades will be his legacy.

Not exactly identical situations....to say the least.....but Chia gets blasted for Seguin while Doiron gets blasted for not trading Hoffman sooner.

 

[Soundwave]

lol, how do you get a 7/10 for missing the playoffs 2/3 years and by a country mile with the Art Ross trophy winner?

What would playoffs 3/3 years and actually contending be? 32/10?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

lol, how do you get a 7/10 for missing the playoffs 2/3 years and by a country mile with the Art Ross trophy winner?

What would playoffs 3/3 years and actually contending be? 32/10?

I compare him to oilers results. Not league results. Since most of what happens has to do with edmonton being a b destination.

 

[Soundwave]

I compare him to oilers results. Not league results. Since most of what happens has to do with edmonton being a b destination.

"By Oiler results" means making the 3rd round in the next 10 years once would be a success. How low does that bar need to be? He was hired to be a top end GM here, not to be "kinda like Mac T".

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Since BB said 5 was an average grade for a GM do you agree that most of the GMs in the league should be fired every off-season? At least half?

The OP set the criteria for ratings right in the opening post 10= Best GM, 5= Average GM, 1= Worst GM.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

"By Oiler results" means making the 3rd round in the next 10 years once would be a success. How low does that bar need to be? He was hired to be a top end GM here, not to be "kinda like Mac T".

Getting robbed of a wcf you mean?

What magic did you expect a top gm to perform?

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Getting robbed of a wcf you mean?

What magic did you expect a top gm to perform?

They lost game 7 and then proceeded to do nothing with the cap space he made a point of acquiring because he just assumed the Oilers would be in a playoff spot at the TDL.

Time to put the conspiracies behind us. The Oilers had plenty of chances to win that series and have only themselves to blame.

 

[Soundwave]

Getting robbed of a wcf you mean?

What magic did you expect a top gm to perform?

At this point, clearly we're past lowered expectations. I expect virtually any franchise to be able to make the playoffs reasonably easily with the Art Ross trophy winner most of the time.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Chiarelli hasn't made the Oilers better. He just made them different.

I'll give him a 5 because i like the changes to scouting and player development.

 

[Hockeyholic]

There's absolutely no question he's the worst GM in the NHL from the period of 2015-2018. He traded a league MVP for an above average player and a rookie of the year for a non NHLer.

Yeah....no. oilers didn't trade him, they traded the pick. Isles used said pick on Barzal.

 

[Satire]

Good: Talbot, Maroon, Kassian, Sekera, Drafting
Okay: Russell, Lucic (2017), Mcdavid contract, Cags
Bad: Hall for Larsson, Lucic (2018), Leon contract, Eberle/Strome
Terrible: Reinhart for 2 high picks in the deepest draft in ages (Barzal says hi)

I gave him a generous 5/10. I can see why people give him 3 to 4 range fairly easily. He has made some good moves though so I can't justify giving him lower than that.

Unfortunately almost all the big gambles he took have blown up in his face so far... this team would arguably be a lot better without Lucic, Strome, and Larsson if you add in Hall, Eberle and Barzal. D depth would be a problem though.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Badly lost his 3 major trades.
Over-payed on irrelevant RFAs.
UFAs are either too slow, injured and/or signed to too long.
Buying out Gryba when cap pressed and his salary could be buried and trading for Montoya when he is about to go on waivers is just mind boggling.
Scouting is an unknown cause it is too early to tell.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

At this point, clearly we're past lowered expectations. I expect virtually any franchise to be able to make the playoffs reasonably easily with the Art Ross trophy winner most of the time.

Like when a player rode that art ross winner from the blue line while grabbing his leg until that player lost control and went head first into the boards shattering his clavicle. No penalty. No calder. No playoffs.

Last year there wss no depth for injuries. You dont think hes trying to improve that? Chia has tried to address weaknesses here.

Bringing in a trader whiz sounds great but it depends on other players wanting to move. Depends if gms want to trade with edmonton too.

Bringing in a contract whiz is a pipedream. Overpaysa are a fact of life for edmonton. Its how edmonton can add/keep anybody.

You need actual drafting abd development to suceed in trading or contract talks anyway.

 

[shoop]

Yeah....no. oilers didn't trade him, they traded the pick. Isles used said pick on Barzal.

People have convenient memories. Always easier to see with hindsight.

Barzal was the sixth centre selected in his draft year. Give GMs a do over and he maybe goes third, fourth no questions asked.

It's really tough judging Chia against one of the biggest draft steals in a long time, when we don't know how much pressure he got from the OBC to trade for Reinhart.

 

[Soundwave]

People have convenient memories. Always easier to see with hindsight.

Barzal was the sixth centre selected in his draft year. Give GMs a do over and he maybe goes third, fourth no questions asked.

It's really tough judging Chia against one of the biggest draft steals in a long time, when we don't know how much pressure he got from the OBC to trade for Reinhart.

Or they could have taken Kyle Connor, like the Jets did one pick after ours. Or taken Brock Boeser like the Canucks did in the same range. Barzal was not even the only huge hit pick in that range.

Any one of those three players could've made a massive difference to the Oilers season last year and going forward, but of course they decided Griffin Reinhart was the better way to go.

This franchise is good at one thing only -- making excuses for why they couldn't get it done while other teams figure it out.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

What's with this OBC cop-out stuff for Chia just making poor decisions, he came into the organization demanding to be both President of Hockey Operations and General Manager, the only people he has to answer to are the owner and Bob Nicholson.

You can also just look at Chia's career as a GM, you can see he's clearly carried similar biases he had from Boston over to the Oilers with the decisions he made and I can't imagine a single member of the OBC advocating to trade Taylor Hall. He also has similar difficulties in that he was very poor at managing the cap in Boston and is really starting to demonstrate that here as well; he also demonstrated a similar disregard for wingers in Boston trading nearly every good one unless they played with a certain edge. While Keith Gretzky has an obvious connection to us, that seems to be a clear Chia hire as well as him hiring his brother.

I'm sure the OBC has Chia's ear and can often give them their 2 cents more often then he would like, but I've really seen no indication or even a solid rumor that Chia isn't the final decision maker on any and all hockey trades or that he is given anything less than full autonomy to shape this roster.

 

[Dohilers]

I'd rate him somewhere between 4 to 6. He's done some things really well (namely rebuilding the scouting department and some of his small moves which paid off), but a lot of that is offset by his boneheadedly bad deals (big trades and contract signings). He's definitely the worst GM when it comes to managing the cap, though.

 

[Delicious Pancakes]

I gave him a 5, then switched to a 4, then back to a 5 again. So let's just say 4.5.

Hall, Eberle, a 1st (could have chosen Barzal/Connor/Chabot/Konecny/Boeser) and a second (Aho/Carlo) for Larsson, Strome, and Reinhart (lucky Vegas took him). - Bad asset management.

Talbot for 2nd, 3rd and 7th rounders - Good pickup.

Maroon, Kassian, Rattie, Aberg, Montoya. - Does pretty decently when it comes to bargain bin shopping.

Lucic, Sekera, Russell, Letestu, Gryba. - For the money and especially the term given there's not enough production or positive contribution here. Bad cap management.

Caggiula, Benning, Persson, Mantha, Hebig, Russell. - More decent college/junior/Euro FA adds.

McDavid, Draisaitl, Benning extensions - No negotiation wins here.

Pouliot, Gryba buyouts. - Bad cap management.

Drafting - So far it looks improved compared to previous regime. Still need to wait and see but amateur scouting seems better.

Player Development - Puljujarvii handling has been poor, other players' development seems average, getting rid of Fleming on the farm is good but could have happened sooner.

What he does this summer will tell us a lot. If he can't improve the roster with some smart tinkering then this team might be in trouble if players don't improve on last year's performances. This will be year 4 with Chia and if this team doesn't win a playoff round this coming year then I think Pete and Todd probably need to go.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Or they could have taken Kyle Connor, like the Jets did one pick after ours. Or taken Brock Boeser like the Canucks did in the same range. Barzal was not even the only huge hit pick in that range.

Any one of those three players could've made a massive difference to the Oilers season last year and going forward, but of course they decided Griffin Reinhart was the better way to go.

This franchise is good at one thing only -- making excuses for why they couldn't get it done while other teams figure it out.

A lot of these teams with "good management" havn't done J.Squat in a while either. Despite having a clear advantage in a) not being Edmonton and b) playing against Edmonton.

 

[shoop]

lol, how do you get a 7/10 for missing the playoffs 2/3 years and by a country mile with the Art Ross trophy winner?

McDavid missed half of one of those seasons the Oilers missed the playoffs. So conveniently forgotten.

 

[MinimaMoralia]

Gave him a 4. But really a 3.5. drafting has improved dramatically. Digging the stockpile of quality defence and goalie prospects. He's great at college finds.
maaaaan it's hard to get past his mistakes. They're not small ones.

 

[Tom Brady]

This is the most bizarre spin on the truth i could ever imagine.

He came into an organization run by clowns for a decade.

A team that was literally getting worse with every first overall it got.

I have no doubt based on previous track record that the Oilers, if they did not bring in Chiarelli, would absolutely have ruined McDavid.

And as good as McDavid is. This is not the NBA a generationalso superstar does not guarantee wins, playoffs, or cups. He is only on the ice for 1/3 the game and even then needs everyone else still doing thier jobs.

With the parity of today's NHL only a complete moron would believe McDavid be a successful team by himself without a great organization around him.

How?

By giving a 3rd line player 6mil per for 7 years and sticking him with McDavid no matter how bad he played ?

By trading an MVP of the league ?

By blindly signing average players to millions of dollars during McDavid's peak?

 

[Aerchon]

How?

By giving a 3rd line player 6mil per for 7 years and sticking him with McDavid no matter how bad he played ?

By trading an MVP of the league ?

By blindly signing average players to millions of dollars during McDavid's peak?

By doing even worse as indicated by 10 years of pure trash management and unparalleled losing within the organization.

 

[McJadeddog]

If there was a zero or negative option, I would have chosen that. He is the worst GM in Oilers history, and one of, if not THE, worst GMs in the entire league over the past 20 or so years.

 

[Tom Brady]

By doing even worse as indicated by 10 years of pure trash management and unparalleled losing within the organization.

You could argue in that span the Oilers didn't have a player of McDavid's caliber or even a player like Draisaitl of today. Oilers are in cap hell who missed the playoffs by a whopping 17 pts despite having arguably one of the greatest player since Mario Lemieux.