Would you trade Scheifele for Eichel?

[Larabee]

Without D men capable of feeding the forwards with breakout passes, Chef as been useless. Don’t blame Chef. Blame the GM for decimating the defence.

 

[Duke749]

Without D men capable of feeding the forwards with breakout passes, Chef as been useless. Don’t blame Chef. Blame the GM for decimating the defence.

Our defensemen aren’t the reason he’s playing lazy and selfish. They’re not the reason he’s cheating for offense without helping out enough defensively. He was the one that got benched.

 

[Larabee]

Our defensemen aren’t the reason he’s playing lazy and selfish. They’re not the reason he’s cheating for offense without helping out enough defensively. He was the one that got benched.

Wouldn’t it be nice though if our best forward wasn’t asked to focus more on defence and less on offence.

 

[Duke749]

Wouldn’t it be nice though if our best forward wasn’t asked to focus more on defence and less on offence.

But he can be lazy, selfish, and cheat for offense without helping?

 

[Larabee]

But he can be lazy, selfish, and cheat for offense without helping?

Lazy and selfish no. Cheat for offence is not the greatest sin.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

And your rebuttal is that you know more than Mark Scheifele, the Jets coaches and management, and possibly the most astute hockey writer Winnipeg has ever seen?

Excellent appeal to authority. That's fine, we'll go with your earlier comment and see what happens next year.

 

[Duke749]

Lazy and selfish no. Cheat for offence is not the greatest sin.

No but it’s a product of the other two. I’m not arguing we don’t have serious issues on the back end, but when one of our leaders is clearly playing lazy and selfish, it’s a bad sign.

 

[Larabee]

No but it’s a product of the other two. I’m not arguing we don’t have serious issues on the back end, but when one of our leaders is clearly playing lazy and selfish, it’s a bad sign.

No argument there. I’d bench him for a couple of games. I bet we’d see a marked improvement in Dubois game if he were the #1 centre for a couple of games.

 

[Duke749]

No argument there. I’d bench him for a couple of games. I bet we’d see a marked improvement in Dubois game if he were the #1 centre for a couple of games.

I think that ship has sailed unfortunately. Benching Scheif should have been done years ago but Mo has let this stew and now here we are.

 

[tntkid]

Eichel has a major attitude problem and thinks that his shit does not stink.

Don't want him here.

 

[Nickel eye Heel hers]

Yes but.......

The yes depends on what the actual cost of the trade was. Also I'd still bring in a new coach.

 

[Jetsetter]

No just no!

 

[Tommigun]

The Jets would never do this as it’d just be a sidegrade and would destroy the integrity of the team.

 

[QuietContrarian]

Eichel would cost Scheifele and a massive add, like Ehlers or Connor.

Imo - That would be a massive overpayment.

For sure there needs to be an add, but a ppg C AND an elite winger for Eichel? I mean he also has that injury history - He has yet to play a full season (Yes only 1 game off in 15-16) But the rest have been 77 games on the season at best.

 

[QuietContrarian]

I've long thought that Eichel is one of the major problems in that locker room. Guy calls out his teammates all the time and has gotten how many coaches fired in Buffalo? Dude is a ticking time bomb.

Please link me to some of those under the bus throwings, I was unaware of this reputation.

No, I rarely follow what goes on in Buffalo.

 

[Channelcat]

My opinion has always been that we won't win with Scheifele.........and Maurice. They don't have it.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I'm not ready to give up on Scheifele. He managed to remain a top scorer despite his struggles.

A new coach and a top pair d are what this team needs

Agree - but I would do Eichel for Scheifele. We would add but not nearly as much as some people here seem to think. The difference in contracts is already a fairly big add.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I've long thought that Eichel is one of the major problems in that locker room. Guy calls out his teammates all the time and has gotten how many coaches fired in Buffalo? Dude is a ticking time bomb.

Did he call out teammates? Yes. did he have reason to? Yes. Etc, etc.

That said, I get a concerning vibe from him also. But it is hard to judge, considering the s**t show Buf has been for years. It is a legitimate concern but I am not sure how to rate it. I go on the assumption that Chevy has enough inside knowledge to be able to put it in perspective.

So, I say do it, but with the caveat that Chevy is confident that issue could be dealt with.

Scheifele's NTC might be the bigger stumbling block.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

The difference between the two is not Heinola/1st/+

Maybe not. But the difference in what other teams would most likely offer would be Heinola and a 1st. Don't forget this trade wouldn't take place in a vacuum. There would be a lineup of teams trying to outbid each other to get a young centre talent like Eichel.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Without D men capable of feeding the forwards with breakout passes, Chef as been useless. Don’t blame Chef. Blame the GM for decimating the defence.

The GM did not decimate the defense. Not even remotely close to what happened.

Buff retired. We had all known for a couple of years that that was getting close. Do you think we should have given Myers the contract Vancouver did? Of course you don't. It isn't as bad, but Chiarot got overpaid by Montreal. Do you think we should have offered as much? Do you think Chiarot was the difference maker on our D corps?

Then there was Trouba. He forced his way out. He had to go. Chevy got a replacement for him who has outperformed Trouba in the time since, so no loss there - and he also got us a very good prospective Dman.

So what else did Chevy do to "decimate" our D corps?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Wouldn’t it be nice though if our best forward wasn’t asked to focus more on defence and less on offence.

Regardless of who is on our D, Scheif should be playing a much better 2 way game.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lazy and selfish no. Cheat for offence is not the greatest sin.

Yeah, it pretty much is.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yes but.......

The yes depends on what the actual cost of the trade was. Also I'd still bring in a new coach.

Ding, ding, ding, ding!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The Jets would never do this as it’d just be a sidegrade and would destroy the integrity of the team.

It wouldn't be a sidegrade. Eichel is a much better hockey player. But that is not what it would be about.

Integrity of the team? Have you been watching them lately?

There is the question of Eichel's attitude. But those bringing that up seem to be ignoring the possibility of some different attitude issues from Scheifele. Are we sure his attitude is all that much better?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Maybe not. But the difference in what other teams would most likely offer would be Heinola and a 1st. Don't forget this trade wouldn't take place in a vacuum. There would be a lineup of teams trying to outbid each other to get a young centre talent like Eichel.

There would certainly be other interested teams. How many would be able/willing to offer a 28 YO ppg 1C in exchange? Then there are cap issues, magnified by the flat cap. Then all of the other issues being brought up here by people who say they would not do it at all. Other teams would have those same concerns.