WJC Prospects

[joe89]

I just see the reason we drafted him. Sure he's big, but otherwise everything I've seen is he's ok not great. Could very well be a starter in the the European leagues. Just don't see him becoming a back up in the NHL.

As always with prospects I'm down on, I hope I'm wrong.

I'm not down on JVP, but I'm down on drafting goalie projects in the first place. There's a constant market of strong undrafted 20-23 year olds either via college or Europe who are much closer to being NHL ready aswell. Sign them for organizational depth and spare the draft picks for other positions.

 

[Frk It]

I mean, I have to assume JVP is playing in front of a garbage defense that gets pretty much dominated routinely. Can't help his stats. At least he was player of the game against Canada.

 

[Classicnamesup]

Not impressed at all by him. Still has the gold game to get it done

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I just see the reason we drafted him. Sure he's big, but otherwise everything I've seen is he's ok not great. Could very well be a starter in the the European leagues. Just don't see him becoming a back up in the NHL.

As always with prospects I'm down on, I hope I'm wrong.

Just so you know, most organizations give their prospects more than half of a season post draft year before they write them off. Based on your logic we should also be questioning why we drafted Svech.

 

[Henkka]

SWE loses

***

Svechnikov looked playing net-front role as their "Abdelkader" and Kamenev was the line leader.

What I've learned, Svechnikov carries his own line at junior team so different role has hurt his game a bit at this tournament.

But it's good he is already getting a taste of his future Wings duty.

***

Finland-Russia is the Final. Funny how this Finland is kind of built like usual Russian teams and this Russia is built like usual Finland.

Very interesting game tomorrow. Your Golden generation just rocks!

 

[Electric Eric]

Just so you know, most organizations give their prospects more than half of a season post draft year before they write them off. Based on your logic we should also be questioning why we drafted Svech.

I know, hence why I never said anything along the lines of writing him off. Just said I don't get it, don't see why he was picked.

What exactly is my logic though? Can't imagine I posted enough for you to make that Svech strawman.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

I know, hence why I never said anything along the lines of writing him off. Just said I don't get it, don't see why he was picked.

What exactly is my logic though? Can't imagine I posted enough for you to make that Svech strawman.

Like JVP, Svech has been "ok but not great" in the WJC. If the WJC is your basis for discounting JVP's chances of developing as a professional goaltender, you should feel the same way about Svech off of this WJC performance. "I don't see why he was drafted" and "I just don't see him as a backup in the NHL" sounds a hell of a lot like you are writing him off six months after being drafted. Furthermore, you aren't exactly going out on a limb with such a prediction. We are talking about a fourth-round pick. The probability of any fourth rounder carving out an NHL career is statistically pretty slim to begin with.

I suspect that if you asked Holland or Wright why he was drafted they would tell you that professional scouts who watch young players for a living thought that he had enough tools and athleticism to develop into an NHL goalie after several years of additional development. It's the NHL, not the NFL. You don't draft players for what they are on draft day, you draft them based on what you project that they will become with additional development. This is why I am not going to lose sleep over Svech's WJC performance.

For the record, I have no idea what JVP will develop into in the future and am honest enough to admit it.

 

[ChadS]

Back in 2013-14 before moving to North America, Svechnikov had 0 points in 4 games at the Ivan Hlinka and 0 points in 5 games at the Jr.A Challenge. The year before, 1 point in 3 games at the U17 youth olympics.

So, just imagine he never played at the WJC and everything looks fine again

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Back in 2013-14 before moving to North America, Svechnikov had 0 points in 4 games at the Ivan Hlinka and 0 points in 5 games at the Jr.A Challenge. The year before, 1 point in 3 games at the U17 youth olympics.

So, just imagine he never played at the WJC and everything looks fine again

That's the thing. He wasn't any good at the past Super Series, either. He's got some quality about him where he never plays well for Russia. It's been that way for a long time now. My guess is it's a stylistic thing.

 

[SpookyTsuki]

That's the thing. He wasn't any good at the past Super Series, either. He's got some quality about him where he never plays well for Russia. It's been that way for a long time now. My guess is it's a stylistic thing.

Probably. Russia is like a small quick pass shoot quick type of team

Svech is kind of patient. At least more then that team

 

[Pavels Dog]

I was hoping to see more improvement with this skating to be honest. It really overshadows all of the good things that he does.

I still think his skating issues are overblown.

 

[Frk It]

What's the deal with this Korshkov kid? Is he draft eligible? If not, can we please sign him?

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

Auston Matthews is a beast. This USA team should have won gold.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Austin Matthews is a beast. This USA team should have won gold.

Yeah it feels weird that Russia is in the final. Usa should have been there, and Sweden likely would have if they had not lost a couple of key players.

 

[ChadS]

What's the deal with this Korshkov kid? Is he draft eligible? If not, can we please sign him?

Undrafted -96 kid, so it's his third time available this coming June. He's definitely been very noticable and is showing a nice power porward skills set. He caught my eye last season and was on my list for the draft but probably didn't get enough attention to be picked as an overage KHL 4th liner. This time around he's obviously on the radar so I bet some team will take him.

 

[Flowah]

What's the deal with this Korshkov kid? Is he draft eligible? If not, can we please sign him?

When I hear of undrafted Russian Kids I think of that article that Larionov wrote where he mentions how Pav was passed over twice and how there are hidden Pavels still in Russia. We need to find some.

 

[odin1981]

When I hear of undrafted Russian Kids I think of that article that Larionov wrote where he mentions how Pav was passed over twice and how there are hidden Pavels still in Russia. We need to find some.

I'd rather they be looking for a Konstantinov or two but I understand the point he was making.

Though with Pavs specifically given the era and training threshold we are in players such as him will soon become extinct. The one and only way I would compare pavs to great one is that they both had a similar up bringing. The hours upon hours of skating and playing in a structure and coach free environment to facilitate there creativity is quite quickly vanishing. And both where basically forged by playing pond hockey away from coaches that would turn them into systems robots.

I mean look at the last breaths of players soon to retire over the next few years that can actually slow the game down and dissect opposing teams. Thorton, Dats, and Jagr are the last 3 remnants of this. And all don't have very long left to play. And when we look at the new generation of players none even have a sniff of ability to do such things.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I thought Svechnikov looked decent in the first period. Had a really good chance that the Finnish goalie made a nice save on. Didn't look too slow, but didn't get much icetime, either. Was on the ice for the PP goal.

 

[opivy]

I'd rather they be looking for a Konstantinov or two but I understand the point he was making.

Though with Pavs specifically given the era and training threshold we are in players such as him will soon become extinct. The one and only way I would compare pavs to great one is that they both had a similar up bringing. The hours upon hours of skating and playing in a structure and coach free environment to facilitate there creativity is quite quickly vanishing. And both where basically forged by playing pond hockey away from coaches that would turn them into systems robots.

I mean look at the last breaths of players soon to retire over the next few years that can actually slow the game down and dissect opposing teams. Thorton, Dats, and Jagr are the last 3 remnants of this. And all don't have very long left to play. And when we look at the new generation of players none even have a sniff of ability to do such things.

I think this comes with age and hockey IQ. There *is* another crop alreay in place in my ind. They're just not fully developed yet.

 

[Probie]

Svechnikov showing some good signs of life in the third period, had one dominant shift so far this perid, good on the puck, too strong in the corners...

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

It's funny, though, because Russian fans are slamming Svechnikov for looking like an Abdelkader. But I think the Wings front office must be salivating. They love the normal, medium talent version of Abdelkader enough already. Add a shot, hands, and playmaking? They must be in love.

 

[TheMule93]

It's funny, though, because Russian fans are slamming Svechnikov for looking like a highly skilled version of Abdelkader. But I think the Wings front office must be salivating. They love the normal, medium talent version of Abdelkader enough already. Add a shot, hands, and playmaking? They must be in love.

Is this a joke? Salivating over a disappointing tournament?

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Is this a joke? Salivating over a disappointing tournament?

He hasn't been that bad, though. He's been disappointing offensively, but he's been very physical and surprisingly responsible in his own end at times. As TSN put it, he's showing that he can contribute when he isn't scoring.

My point is, the Wings CLEARLY love this type of game from Abdelkader, so they ought to love it from Svechnikov. That creates a funny mismatch where Russian fans, who want flash and dazzle, hate it, while the Wings might appreciate it a lot more. Which sounds a lot like how Wings fans feel about Abdelkader, too.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

Saarijarvi might just have won it for Finland. Or maybe Rantanen got the tip, but it was a really good play to get the shot through.

 

[Probie]

Very nice shot by Vili Saarijarvi deflected in front. Smart good offensive play for the go ahead goal.