Who are the ~15 teams you would rank below the Flyers in terms of defense then? Because I sure can't think anywhere near that many that are worse. I'd say the Oilers, Coyotes, and Hurricanes are for sure worse. Then there are a few teams I would lump in that same group as Philadelphia like the Stars, Devils, and Maple Leafs. But that's about it.
Who are the ~15 teams you would rank below the Flyers in terms of defense then? Because I sure can't think anywhere near that many that are worse. I'd say the Oilers, Coyotes, and Hurricanes are for sure worse. Then there are a few teams I would lump in that same group as Philadelphia like the Stars, Devils, and Maple Leafs. But that's about it.
Volodya Krutov
Lost Cosmonaut
- Jan 18, 2012
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Biggest question mark would be Streit. Sustainable ?
I like EM's signing but it's not enough, not yet (I trust Hextall)
I like EM's signing but it's not enough, not yet (I trust Hextall)
Streit and Del Zotto are the only top 4 guys on that list, imo, and Del Zotto hasn't really proven to play at a high level from season to season yet.
Tripod
I hate this team
Jules Winnfield
Fleurymanbad
- Mar 19, 2010
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Hextall should trade at least one of his forward chips for a defenseman.
That defense looks like hell right now and is 1-2 injuries away from being a disaster.
That defense looks like hell right now and is 1-2 injuries away from being a disaster.
Striiker
Earthquake Survivor
Nope, all eggs are in the prospect basket, we need to add forwards and forward prospects as it is instead of trading them away.
Jules Winnfield
Fleurymanbad
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That's nice and all but you're going to sacrifice a season or two with putrid D. At least if you deal a forward/forward prospect you can get a solid defenseman with term. Unless Hextall's plan is to offer guys like Martin, Petry, Sekera, Green, Beauchemin big $.
blinds
Registered User
- Jan 5, 2012
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We just had one, what harm could another do? But really, we're pretty much just treading water until the prospects are ready. It would be interesting if we managed to sign Zaitsev though.
I still think we're close to the bottom of the NHL. Flyers are loaded with 5,6, and 7's but no number 1 in sight (outside of a prospect or two). After this year though when grossmann, schenn and hopefully macdonald (highly unlikely though) are gone, the flyers will be taking a step in the righ direction.
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BillDineen
Former Flyer / Extinct Dinosaur Advisor
- Aug 9, 2009
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Quantity over quality. I agree the only top four D are Streit and MDZ. I don't mind Hextall signing serviceable d man on 1-2 year contracts until the prospects enter. The "mini-rebuild" wasn't only a year long.
kingsboy11
Maestro
Eye of Ra
Grandmaster General of the International boards
Lol at all the hate Grossman gets.
He is a decent passer, physical and is a + player on a **** team.
What do you guys want from him? 5252652652652 points and 3636363636363 fights?
He is a decent passer, physical and is a + player on a **** team.
What do you guys want from him? 5252652652652 points and 3636363636363 fights?
Zen Arcade
Bigger than Kiss
I don't see how we can project where the Flyers defense is going to be based on the signing of a guy who has never player in the NHL. He could be great, he could be terrible or he could be anything in between.
Tripod
I hate this team
Sure we can.
Our defense is bad...and signing Medvedev doesn't change that much.
But signing him for free means we trade someone out for an asset. So in that regard, it is good. That's all we are saying.
Say we trade Grissmann for a 3rd, well Medvedev +3rd > Grossmann.
Lol...this is a small victory that the OP has tried to make bigger. But nothing wrong with signing guys for free, then trading current guys for an asset. That is all we are doing here.
Zen Arcade
Bigger than Kiss
I almost added that caveat, but I decided not to because while it helps the team as a whole, a third round pick doesn't really do anything for their defensive depth next season so I didn't think it fit with the idea of the thread.
I don't think the signing is bad, I just think this is a weird thread.
Tripod
I hate this team
I think Grossman gets hated on because they already have Schenn, Gudas and MacDonald. Grossman is the easiest one of the 3 to move.
Striiker
Earthquake Survivor
A season or two of bad defense OR trading forward depth.... that's a pretty obvious choice.
Being patient costs nothing and it clearly the right choice here. The prospects will be ready soon enough and when they are we'll need the offense to go along with them.
Plus, if we tried to get an impact defensemen (which is what we need) it would cost way too much because nobody is looking to move them. Filling that hole would create an even bigger one, so there's obviously no point.
Striiker
Earthquake Survivor
You're absolutely clueless if you think he's an adequate defensemen. He a terrible passer, horrible skater, and isn't even nearly smart enough to make up for either of those faults. He is clearly, and without debate, the worst defensemen on this team.
It's pretty obvious you either haven't seen him play in a very long time (or ever) or that you just don't know what you're looking at when you do. Give up.
Eye of Ra
Grandmaster General of the International boards
I have seen him many times, he is not that bad as you and others are trying to tell.
Tell me, if he sucks so much, why is he a + player in a team that sucks very much?
Stop bullying the guy.
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Striiker
Earthquake Survivor
So your argument is built on your clearly flawed eye test and +/-?
Well that says a lot.
The fact is he's bad, whether you want to admit it or not is irrelevant, it's true and anyone with a clue knows it.
- Sep 28, 2014
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Flyers fan here..
Still a pretty weak group, but they will be better than last year just by not having Berube around..and they will soon be replaced by some really great prospects. Here is how I see the pairs breaking down.
Schultz-Del Zotto
Both played well last year. Schultz was a pleasant surprise and rarely made a bad play. Really poised, simple defensemen. Del Zotto was electrifying at points. 32 points in 64 games. Showed a lot of perserverance and found his game again. Will get caught out of position on the rush but actually defends the cycle pretty well for a lighter guy.
Medvedev-Streit
I don't know much about Medvedev other than he is supposedly a good two-way defensemen that can move the puck efficiently. Streit has been good the past two seasons but defensively, he is just a smarter version of Del Zotto. He will get caught out of position and has slower recovery speed than the elite defensemen of the league. If Medvedev pans out, they are a good 2nd pairing, but not great.
MacDonald-Gudas
MacDonald has been a disaster here. He's now paid like a top defensemen but won't sniff top 4 minutes. If we could move him, we would, but we can't. Should be ok in a bottom pair role. This pair won't see any minutes in significant situations.
I expect Luke Schenn and Nik Grossmann to be moved this summer. Both only have 1 year left on their contracts and are redundant with the addition of Gudas.
Shayne Gostisbehere and Samuel Morin will both likely start the year in the AHL but should see NHL time and 1, if not both, will be regulars by the end of the season.
I can see the Flyers moving Schultz and/or Streit at the deadline to contenders for picks, freeing up spots for the aforementioned prospects.
Still a pretty weak group, but they will be better than last year just by not having Berube around..and they will soon be replaced by some really great prospects. Here is how I see the pairs breaking down.
Schultz-Del Zotto
Both played well last year. Schultz was a pleasant surprise and rarely made a bad play. Really poised, simple defensemen. Del Zotto was electrifying at points. 32 points in 64 games. Showed a lot of perserverance and found his game again. Will get caught out of position on the rush but actually defends the cycle pretty well for a lighter guy.
Medvedev-Streit
I don't know much about Medvedev other than he is supposedly a good two-way defensemen that can move the puck efficiently. Streit has been good the past two seasons but defensively, he is just a smarter version of Del Zotto. He will get caught out of position and has slower recovery speed than the elite defensemen of the league. If Medvedev pans out, they are a good 2nd pairing, but not great.
MacDonald-Gudas
MacDonald has been a disaster here. He's now paid like a top defensemen but won't sniff top 4 minutes. If we could move him, we would, but we can't. Should be ok in a bottom pair role. This pair won't see any minutes in significant situations.
I expect Luke Schenn and Nik Grossmann to be moved this summer. Both only have 1 year left on their contracts and are redundant with the addition of Gudas.
Shayne Gostisbehere and Samuel Morin will both likely start the year in the AHL but should see NHL time and 1, if not both, will be regulars by the end of the season.
I can see the Flyers moving Schultz and/or Streit at the deadline to contenders for picks, freeing up spots for the aforementioned prospects.
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