With the 1st overall pick... (Part 2)

[PanthersRule96]

So you're saying you have to be Crosby if you want to be a captain? Do you know who our captain is right now? Tallon has stated publicly on a few occassions that Gudbranson will be the captain of the team some day.

Lol that's because Tallon made the stupid mistake of drafting him and it's to his benefit to praise in any way possible. Guds is so raw at this point and is not good at all. He may just be another brad ference in due time, or he could one day prove to be a good pick. Too early but I'd bail on him if I could for another top pick. He'd have substantial value to get a young forward here

 

[Juggernaut27]

Talking about how a player can be a captain is different from saying he will be the captain.

Bad players don't become captain. There's a certain level of leadership by example that Gudbranson Gauls at. He's not exactly captain in waiting as you describe, although I would admit Tallon doesn't seem keen on trading him.

He's 22? Jovo had to wait until he was 30-something.

Big defensive specialists take longer, too. He seems to be doing just fine.

 

[IceManCat]

Guds should have stayed in junior for another season and then to the AHL. Everyone knew and said he was raw yet they still brought him up. Perhaps Santos had a point in his rift with Tallon.

 

[floridada]

I really dont want tallon to trade down. Just pick the BPA at number 1 and be happy. Short cuts rarely work out in the long run

I completely agree.

 

[batting1k]

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin 7m
Latest from FLA camp is "60-70 per cent" chance Panthers will keep No. 1 pick. Hard to get big offers when so many lukewarm about this draft

 

[Dread Clawz]

There is no doubt that, if given 3 years, a defenseman can evolve. With that sample size of 60 players, the evolution potential is about even. It's about how long it takes to help the team.

I do not believe we should wait around 3 years for the chance that a guy we draft with a top pick will turn into an impact player. A high pick forward has a greater chance of making an impact sooner.

Last year most people pegged Seth Jones as clearly #1 overall, yet Colorado took McKinnon and turned around significantly. Jones wouldn't have helped us win last year more than Barkov. In fact, he ran a -23 last year with Nashville. Over 20 points worse than any of the other defensemen on the team. Jones isn't a bust, he just needs his 300+ games.

This team cannot survive another 3 years of waiting, we need improvement in 1-2 years. The only way we achieve that goal is to roll the dice on a forward (that will likely show promise/bust in 1-2 years) and gain a couple proven defensemen via other means. Even overpaying a bit if we have to.

None of the top forwards are going to play in the NHL next year.

 

[Dread Clawz]

Damien Cox ‏@DamoSpin 7m
Latest from FLA camp is "60-70 per cent" chance Panthers will keep No. 1 pick. Hard to get big offers when so many lukewarm about this draft

Hell yes. Welcome, Aaron.

 

[RogerRoger]

I do not believe we should wait around 3 years for the chance that a guy we draft with a top pick will turn into an impact player. A high pick forward has a greater chance of making an impact sooner.

Why shouldn't we wait 3 years? Ekblad is actually the most NHL ready player in this draft and I think he could immediatly improve our PP, which is a big need for the Panthers. The Sams are not ready this year, so they would be in the lineup a year from now and they would most likely centered the 3rd line or try to learn to be a winger. Huberdeau did it, but he's still struggling to make a significant impact 3 years after being drafted.

This team cannot survive another 3 years of waiting, we need improvement in 1-2 years. The only way we achieve that goal is to roll the dice on a forward (that will likely show promise/bust in 1-2 years) and gain a couple proven defensemen via other means. Even overpaying a bit if we have to.

I assume you are being hyberbolic when you say that this team can not survive the next 3 years if the Panthers draft a defenseman. The impact of the forwards that the Panthers can draft won't be significant before 3 years anyway. It sounds like you think the only way the Panthers are going to get help and better for the next 2 years is at this draft, with that first round pick, nothing else. You seem to forget about free agency and the possibility of trading players to improve the team in 1-2 years.

I mean, the team could draft Ekblad and trade Kuli for a top 6 forward (Parenteau) and sign some UFA. Campbell-Niskanen, Quincey(Benoit)-Gud, Bellemore (Weaver)-Ekblad. Suddenly, this team has a quite good defense. http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/28381

I agree with you that this team needs help, but I don't think we should depend on the 1st pick to improve our roster in the immediate future. It's simply isn't the year to expect immediate help.

 

[gauseka15]

Why shouldn't we wait 3 years?

Your not taking into consideration that DT will get fired if the panthers do bad this year and he doesnt care if ekblad will be a top defender for his succesor GM.

 

[batting1k]

Your not taking into consideration that DT will get fired if the panthers do bad this year and he doesnt care if ekblad will be a top defender for his succesor GM.

I think Tallon has two more seasons (the upcoming one and the one after) to turn us into a playoff team / winning team. If he can't do that, he's out after the 2nd season, imo. No way they give him one season because this is the first off season where he can actually spend money and plus, this years free agents are definitely not as good as next years.

 

[RogerRoger]

Your not taking into consideration that DT will get fired if the panthers do bad this year and he doesnt care if ekblad will be a top defender for his succesor GM.

His point was that we can't wait 3 years for the pick to develop, because we need it to make an immediate impact. I agree that we can't suck for 3 more years, but there's other way to improve the team.

 

[RCDeltaFixer]

I think Tallon has two more seasons (the upcoming one and the one after) to turn us into a playoff team / winning team. If he can't do that, he's out after the 2nd season, imo. No way they give him one season because this is the first off season where he can actually spend money and plus, this years free agents are definitely not as good as next years.

Agreed, everyone thinks its a fact that if Tallon doesn't get us into the playoffs next season, he'll be fired.

 

[Juggernaut27]

The best draft since god-knows-when is being hosted in our arena. The plan is not to get better until the year after

I'm being a bit factious but I honestly don't imagine that Tallon is under much pressure at all.

 

[Egblad]

I think as long as Tallon is continuously improving the on-ice talent through good drafting and trades, his job will be safe. Big weekend ahead.

 

[ProjectPanthers]

Guds should have stayed in junior for another season and then to the AHL. Everyone knew and said he was raw yet they still brought him up. Perhaps Santos had a point in his rift with Tallon.

IIRC, Guds did go back for another year of junior because of a contract issue. Another year of junior after that would've been pointless for him.

 

[Ekblad]

guys, just for laughs but check this out before they remove it. elite prospects always test their draft page around the draft, and look at who we drafted first overall! I love the Q&A hahaha

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=40878

 

[Sparkman112]

Is anyone going to be at Bokamper's on Friday? Would be nice to share thoughts collectively and not over a laptop!

I'll be there. I don't post here much though lol

 

[saskriders]

So not sure if this thread or your trade rumours thread is better, but

t's believed as many as five teams -- including St. Louis, Anaheim, Phoenix, Nashville and Florida -- have made calls on the Ottawa captain

from http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/25...opularity-on-the-rise-as-draft-day-approaches

If Damian Cox is saying 30-40% chance the pick is traded, do you thing a deal could be worked out with Spezza and the 1st being the centrepieces? Just want some Florida fan's opinions.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

So not sure if this thread or your trade rumours thread is better, but



from http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/25...opularity-on-the-rise-as-draft-day-approaches

If Damian Cox is saying 30-40% chance the pick is traded, do you thing a deal could be worked out with Spezza and the 1st being the centrepieces? Just want some Florida fan's opinions.

TSN has stated numerous times Florida is on Speeza's list of teams he won't play for.

 

[saskriders]

TSN has stated numerous times Florida is on Speeza's list of teams he won't play for.

I never even thought of that

 

[batting1k]

So not sure if this thread or your trade rumours thread is better, but



from http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/25...opularity-on-the-rise-as-draft-day-approaches

If Damian Cox is saying 30-40% chance the pick is traded, do you thing a deal could be worked out with Spezza and the 1st being the centrepieces? Just want some Florida fan's opinions.

Nah, we don't need Spezza. Wouldn't give up the 1st overall for a 31 yr old plus I wouldn't want to push Barkov and Bjugstad down.

 

[Big Bjugs]

TSN has stated numerous times Florida is on Speeza's list of teams he won't play for.

GM Murray said he has had offers from teams on Spezza's list and Spezza's camp has said

‘We’d like to see if you could do a deal with the teams that we’ve provided to you, but if you get a good offer, come back to us.’

http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles...t-drive-this-saturday-ft-mark-borowiecki.html

 

[RainingRats]

GM Murray said he has had offers from teams on Spezza's list and Spezza's camp has said

http://the6thsens.com/2014-articles...t-drive-this-saturday-ft-mark-borowiecki.html

I'm not against Spezza for the right price (low price/steal) but he's not a fit here. Assets should be moved for wingers and top 4 D.

 

[batting1k]

I'm not against Spezza for the right price (low price/steal) but he's not a fit here. Assets should be moved for wingers and top 4 D.

He's gonna want to play on at least the 2nd line and I don't really want Barkov or Bjugstad pushed down a line because of it.

 

[Egblad]

I just watched insider trading and Bobby Mack said that Tallon has three legitimate offers on the table for 1OV but he expects Tallon will use the pick instead of trading it.